Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question

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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/08 18:54:06 (permalink)
-193dbFS??? Don't print that over on Gearslutz, you'll start an argument over whether or not that's audible!


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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 02:51:21 (permalink)
Professional setup recording audio and working with CD project or Film project. Always use 48kHz, 96 kHz and 24bit, 32bit, 64bit. 
 
I can definitely hear the difference between using 44.1kHz VS 48kHz working in DAW. Its night and day.
Higher quality will make filters EQ and software's sounds better due to oversampling and will give you better headroom capture audio that are need. That will make the final result sounds better and clear VS starting and recording with 44.100 KHz 16bit. That is why no professional would use 44.100 kHz or 16bit, 24bit in any session. At least 48kHz 24bit, I would recommend 48kHz 32bit floating or 96kHz 32bit floating.
To make a CD, the mastering house will down sampling to 44.100 kHz 16bit that will sound better and give a better result.



Always use: 48kHz, 96 kHz;    24bit, 32bit, 64bit

Never use 44100 kHz, 16bit

@bitflipper   oversampling is exactly that you want working with software's EQ, reverbs with a DAW.
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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 03:30:01 (permalink)
Total rubbish Freddie. You think you can hear the difference between 44.1 and 48 because you know when the two different sampling rates are being used. In a controlled A/B test you would not have a hope. Period! Been there, done the test on some very good ears, better than yours my friend, they all failed miserably.

I agree about 24 bit, that is important. 44.1K / 24 bit is fine especially if you are going to end up on a CD. (dithering down to 16 bit of course during final stage of mastering) One less stage of down sampling to consider. 48K is good for music that is ultimately going to be involved in DVD or TV productions etc because they tend to use that sampling rate. One less stage of upsampling required.

When the music is that good Freddie sampling rate does not come into it. People who go on with this sort of rubbish are usually dealing with sub standard music and are looking for other reasons why it is that way. They are looking to the tools instead of other much more important things.

Many quality plugins are upsampling and doing their thing sure at higher sampling rates. That is important not the difference between 44.1 and 48 though, that is not so important.

(Please note I have blind A/B switched the finest turntable on the planet with pickup, RIAA equaliser and finest vinyl against the same signal going through a 44.1K 16 Bit bottle neck and still no one picked it. The analog setup would be equivalent to very very high sampling rates and high bit depths)

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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 04:10:26 (permalink)
@ Jeff!

No Jeff, the only rubbish here comes from you. Is that why all pro studios and professional mixing house's use 96kHz 24bit?
 I'm glad that you agreed that 24bit is a difference. Perhaps in a couple of years you will comes to the same conclusions that the rest of world already know, that 48kHz 96kHz will matter too.

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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 04:27:43 (permalink)
96 Khz compared to 44.1 Khz I could understand for sure but not 48 to 44.1 KHz though. That is rubbish. No professional I have ever known or read has said the difference between 44.1 and 48 is night and day. Not enough difference there to make such a rash statement. End of story. What the OP was about was 48 compared to 44.1. The reasons are due to the music ending up in a different media, not sound quality.

96 compared to 44.1 is another story. Although many great people have also said that it is also unnecessary. 

NOTE: A to D converters can sound different at different sampling rates. Higher sampling rates do NOT necessarily mean better sound. One brand of converter and design can easily sound better at 44.1 compared to the same converter running at 96K. Fact. And that brand sounding great at 44.1 can sound BETTER than another converter running at 96K.

That is the real truth. The reason why a studio may be running at 96K is because its converters sound better at that sampling rate. Main reason. And they should do it if that is the case.

Higher sampling rates means your plugins are all working harder too and you are dealing with larger amounts of data. In a controlled A/B experiment I bet many people would have great difficulty hearing the difference between 44.1/16 Bit and 96K/24 Bit anyway.

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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 10:07:39 (permalink)
All,

Thanks for the input. I did decide to bite the bullet and move my standard sampling rate to 48K. Sure seemed to cause a lot of issues most of which appear to be solved now.

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Re:Sample rate: 44.1 or 48 that is the question 2013/04/10 10:27:38 (permalink)
Seriously Freddie, if it's really "night and day", why do so many users go onto forums to ask which one they should use?


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