Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks

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2011/06/22 16:05:40 (permalink)

Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks

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so i normally use an akg mic hooked into my delta 66 omni i/o to record my dad's radio show in sonar. i recently realized i don't really need all this equipment to record an AM radio show, and am gonna take the mic and all this home and just switch to a simple, good quality usb mic.

i read lots of reviews and got the Samson Go Mic. it sounds great, records great, super simple to use... EXCEPT in sonar, everything i say is recorded in super fast speed like a chipmunk!

any ideas on what could be goin on here? i've been messing with the playback/recording timing master thinking that could be it but so far no go.

would really appreciate any help here.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 16:36:43 (permalink)
    Sounds like a sample rate issue - if you play back something that was recorded at a lower sample rate than what you use for playback, you'd get that kind of behavior. 

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 17:09:14 (permalink)
    hmm, well i just checked the manual for the mic and it records at 48k. and i have my default sonar project set to 44.1. so if i up my project to 48k you think that will do it? (can't try it for another 30 minutes so i figured i'd post this now and then check in a little bit)

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 17:17:43 (permalink)
    you know what i just got a quick second to try that and it didn't do anything, changing in options -> audio, default settings for new projects to 48


    you know when the track is recording, lets say i record from bar 2 to bar 4, as soon as i hit stop, the wav visibly shrinks down to like just 1 bar in length. and i switch back to my other mic and it doesn't do that. and i don't really see anywhere to switch any kind of settings with the mic...

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 21:12:32 (permalink)
    Be warned,, USB mikes rarely seem to work with Sonar. Its the drivers, or the lack of I guess. There have been many posts about this. There is a work around with ASIO4all I think. But if it's only a simple 2 track recording why don;t you try a basic recording program. There are a few that are free downloads. A lot of sound cards even come with a audio recording editing program. Apparently USB mikes work just fine with most other software, but not Sonar.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 21:21:28 (permalink)
    it actually came with cakewalk music creator haha. so i would think it would work with sonar, right? maybe i'll try installing it and giving it a try though.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 22:28:10 (permalink)
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    you know what i just got a quick second to try that and it didn't do anything, changing in options -> audio, default settings for new projects to 48


    you know when the track is recording, lets say i record from bar 2 to bar 4, as soon as i hit stop, the wav visibly shrinks down to like just 1 bar in length. and i switch back to my other mic and it doesn't do that. and i don't really see anywhere to switch any kind of settings with the mic...

    that doesn't change the CURRENT project, only future projects.  you have to start a new project at 48k and start the recording over.
     
    if you have too much invested in this project already, there's a way to export everything then convert to a new sampling rate and import back into a new project, but it's time consuming.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 22:45:38 (permalink)
    hmm, so there's no way to convert the current project? because i've been doing this radio show for like 5 years now with the same 2 tracks set the same way with the same effects and levels and everything and every week i just go in and delete all the audio and save it under a new week name. it would suck if i have to redo all that, but i guess i could try.

    oh wait... no... i was about to hit post but i just remembered i tried making a new project during everything i was trying today and that didn't do it...

    hmmm....

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 23:06:36 (permalink)
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    hmm, so there's no way to convert the current project? because i've been doing this radio show for like 5 years now with the same 2 tracks set the same way with the same effects and levels and everything and every week i just go in and delete all the audio and save it under a new week name. it would suck if i have to redo all that, but i guess i could try.

    oh wait... no... i was about to hit post but i just remembered i tried making a new project during everything i was trying today and that didn't do it...

    hmmm....

    that's not what I said.  I said there's a way to do it but you have to export the audio files, convert them then reimport them.  that's not the same as "no way" - it's just difficult.  sonar won't do it directly for you, no.
     
    but I don't understand - you've not been using the go mic for 5 years or you would have complained about the problem sooner - so why do you need to convert 5 years worth of work?  (and even if this is the case - then why don't you return the mic and get equipment that doesn't restrict you like this one does?)
     
    when you said you tried making a new project during everything you were trying today and it "didn't do it" - what exactly didn't it "do?"  you'll have to be specific.  do you mean that you created a new proejct and the new project wasn't at 48k?  or do you mean you created a new project and started recording and it still played back at high speed?  if you didn't convert your backing tracks that you're talking about then that's still not going to work.  you still have mismatched sampling rates between the old and the new.
    post edited by Beagle - 2011/06/22 23:10:11

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/22 23:15:29 (permalink)
    for question 1, it's not that i need to convert the 5 years of work, it's just the settings i have. the eq and compressor and levels and everything i have on each blank track that i then import new songs onto one track and record voice onto the other track. which really wouldn't be the end of the world IF...

    question 2, i tried, on one of the old project files to switch from my old mic to the new mic, and it recorded in super fast chipmunk style, and i opened a brand new project, and it recorded in super fast chipmunk style. that's what i meant by didn't do it, like didn't fix it. sorry, i was typing fast and that definitely wasn't clear.

    so if i have to start from scratch i suppose it doesn't really matter, but i actually tried making a new project from scratch and it still recorded all fast chipmunk style. and the mic doesn't record like that in say windows sound recorder, or audacity.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 00:42:39 (permalink)
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     the mic doesn't record like that in say windows sound recorder, or audacity. 

    This might be a hint. What drivers are you using in Sonar? Neither Windows Sound Recorder nor Audacity (I think) use ASIO, so if you're using ASIO in Sonar, this might be the problem.


    As someone mentioned eatlier, ASIO4all might do the trick. 

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 08:51:08 (permalink)
    USB mics in Sonar will work IF they are set up properly. However, in most cases, it is just not worth the trouble.

    So in the OP you said:  so i normally use an akg mic hooked into my delta 66 omni i/o to record my dad's radio show in sonar. i recently realized i don't really need all this equipment to record an AM radio show, and am gonna take the mic and all this home and just switch to a simple, good quality usb mic.

    Wrong. Use the gear you have been using that was working correctly. A USB mic is a pain.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 09:33:42 (permalink)
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    for question 1, it's not that i need to convert the 5 years of work, it's just the settings i have. the eq and compressor and levels and everything i have on each blank track that i then import new songs onto one track and record voice onto the other track. which really wouldn't be the end of the world IF...

    question 2, i tried, on one of the old project files to switch from my old mic to the new mic, and it recorded in super fast chipmunk style, and i opened a brand new project, and it recorded in super fast chipmunk style. that's what i meant by didn't do it, like didn't fix it. sorry, i was typing fast and that definitely wasn't clear.

    so if i have to start from scratch i suppose it doesn't really matter, but i actually tried making a new project from scratch and it still recorded all fast chipmunk style. and the mic doesn't record like that in say windows sound recorder, or audacity.
    your input and output are different.  this is the problem with USB mics.  they're incredibly awful IMO.  It's possible that your output soundcard cannot work at 48k and is defaulting to 44.1k which would cause your problem if your USB mic will only work in 48k mode.  as has been suggested above, try ASIO4ALL and see if that works.  if it doesn't, my best recommendation is to take the USB mic back and get a USB soundcard and traditional mic.
     
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    I just remembered  - the "go mic" has output on it as well, IIRC now.  if that's the case, if it has a "headphone output" then USE THAT!  that should solve your problem. 
     
    first, use MME driver mode
    OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = MME
    let the wave profiler run
    then go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and make sure the GO MIC is selected in the INPUT AND the OUTPUT DEVICES
    then connect headphones up to the go mic and hopefully that will resolve your problem.
    post edited by Beagle - 2011/06/23 10:03:42

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 19:43:08 (permalink)
    thanks beagle. i'm gonna try some of that tomorrow when i get back to work, but hearing the audio thru the headphones isn't the problem. i definitely need to be able to mix and export this to wav using my regular audio interface. it's not that while monitoring everything is sped up, it's the recorded audio.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 22:33:28 (permalink)
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    thanks beagle. i'm gonna try some of that tomorrow when i get back to work, but hearing the audio thru the headphones isn't the problem. i definitely need to be able to mix and export this to wav using my regular audio interface. it's not that while monitoring everything is sped up, it's the recorded audio.


    then you need to get rid of the USB mic.  if you want to use the "regular audio interface" (which you haven't mentioned what that is), then you do NOT need to use a USB mic.  that means you're trying to use 2 soundcards.  if you ever do get it working where it's not sounding like chipmunks then you'll have sync problems because you're trying to use 2 soundcards (the "audio interface" and the USB mic are both soundcards) and they have 2 different clocks.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/23 23:06:18 (permalink)
    oh well i did in the beginning post. it's an m-audio delta 66 with omni i/o. i just don't make music with this computer anymore so it's total overkill. but i just realized something from your response. if the usb mic works like a sound card. i could just get all my output from it. right? cause i'm not making music or anything on this particular computer anymore. so i could get rid of the delta66 altogether. just hook up my usb mic and still be able to do the only 2 things i need audio for on this computer... 1) record the radio show (recording from the mic and inserting songs into a track 2 in sonar), 2) watching youtube videos / listening to music clips on the internet.

    if i can do all that thru that little headphone jack on the usb mic, then i'm fine. i'll try it tomorrow.

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    Re:Samson Go Mic Recording like Chipmunks 2011/06/25 01:30:49 (permalink)
    I see your on line... and it's now tomorrow,, did it work??

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