John
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Save Copy As?
I have looked for any reference to this command and I can't find any in the Help file or the Sonar Reference Guide. It appears to be undocumented. I know what the forum says about it but I'm not sure what it really does. If someone could/would kindly show me any documentation on it I will be very grateful.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:14:17
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It saves a copy on disk while NOT resetting the current open project to that project.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:14:47
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HaHa! I beat scook to it.  He must've been on a bio break.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:15:23
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John
I have looked for any reference to this command and I can't find any in the Help file or the Sonar Reference Guide.
It appears to be undocumented. I know what the forum says about it but I'm not sure what it really does.
When you use Save As, you can save your present project i.e. "Song" as "Song 1", and Sonar will now show your project as "Song 1" while "Song" just remains in your file directory. When you use "Save Copy As", on "Song", it will make a copy of your song and name it "Song 1", it will save that as a copy in your file directory, but Sonar will still show that you are working on "Song". I use the "Save As" as a backup in my project directory as the project progresses in case I want to revert to a prior state, and "Save A Copy As" when I want to back up the project to an external drive. Walt
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:19:03
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bapu
HaHa! I beat scook to it.
He must've been on a bio break.
...and you beat me by pico-seconds. Mine was longer though.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:23:10
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Mine was 7 minutes ago. Yours was 6 minutes ago. That's like 100M pico-seconds. 
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:28:18
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bapu
It saves a copy on disk while NOT resetting the current open project to that project.
Right. That is what people say but I would like something documented from CW. It isn't that I don't appreciate what the forum is saying on it. I just am not completely sure if that is the full story. If you think about it, that explanation makes very little sense. What in effect is being said is only the name of the open project is unchanged using save copy as. There is no reset involved. There is no reset using save as either accept the current open project's name is changed too to reflect the saved as file name. Then I wouldn't be asking this if I fully understood save copy as. I hope I'm not confusing anyone.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:34:15
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I have a feeling that I maybe over thinking this.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:39:04
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/03/02 11:41:26
bapu
HaHa! I beat scook to it.
He must've been on a bio break.
You beat me because I saw no reason to post here. John rejects the explanation because it is not documented and expects more from the function. The best answer I can provide for this thread is create a support ticket requesting an update to the documentation.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:42:42
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Kind of sad when on a peer-to-peer forum user explanation of function that has been tried by a peer is rejected. Oh well. This forum is starting to sound like it needs to be renamed "Questions to Bakers Only (No Longer Peer-To-Peer Support)". Because this not the first time a response from CW is the only acceptable response by an OP.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:49:31
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Expectations rise during product roll out because devs get active on the forums. I wonder if the new membership model means a greater company presence on the forums? Either way, undocumented features, especially the more obvious ones like menu options, need to be sent to support so the responsible team gets a request to update the documentation.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:51:03
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John
I have a feeling that I maybe over thinking this.
Probably. It works exactly the same as it does in Excel, Word etc. The current file which is loaded into memory will not be overwritten when you "save as". It creates a brand new version. all these programs give you the opportunity to change the file location and lots of toher stuff as well before the save is written - file type & file name being the obvious ones. You can also use "save as" to keep the same name but file it in a different location.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:53:03
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bapu
Mine was 7 minutes ago. Yours was 6 minutes ago. That's like 100M pico-seconds.
Actually 60E10 ps. When I first put up the post, both our posts were up "seconds ago", so I took a WAG lacking the resolution that I needed. Looks like I was off several orders of magnitude... 
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:54:37
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bapu
Kind of sad when on a peer-to-peer forum user explanation of function that has been tried by a peer is rejected.
Oh well. This forum is starting to sound like it needs to be renamed "Questions to Bakers Only (No Longer Peer-To-Peer Support)". Because this not the first time a response from CW is the only acceptable response by an OP.
Bapu that is uncalled for and totally wrong. That is not the point of this thread nor am I rejecting anything. I am unclear in my mind about this subject. I am asking this FORUM for help in trying to get an acceptable understanding for me. This is no reflection on the forum but a limitation I have. I rely heavily on the CW documentation. When something is undocumented that is a real problem for me. One other reason I posted this thread is to alert CW about this problem. You know my track record in my support of the Sonar forum. It really galls me that you would say such an obnoxious thing.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:56:55
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Bristol_Jonesey
John
I have a feeling that I maybe over thinking this.
Probably.
It works exactly the same as it does in Excel, Word etc.
The current file which is loaded into memory will not be overwritten when you "save as". It creates a brand new version.
all these programs give you the opportunity to change the file location and lots of toher stuff as well before the save is written - file type & file name being the obvious ones.
You can also use "save as" to keep the same name but file it in a different location.
Hi Colin- That's "Save As...", not the same thing. John's asking about "Save Copy As". There's now "Save," "Save As" and "Save Copy As." I asked about it here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3167737 and the question was answered; it's just not documented. -Susan
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:57:04
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Bah! I was going to try to drag the Help PDF from the DAW to my lappy but apparently to access it I had to run the Help and Tuts installer which installed all that extra content for the tuts.
Now I can't find the isolated PDF. Anyone know where I can find it so I can toss it on a USB key and put it with the rest of my documentation?
I was actually going to see if I could find any reference to the Save Copy As function for you (even though I'm sure you've checked but who knows... maybe it's buried in there).
Anyhoo... this feature is going to be AWESOME for me if it works the way I think it does. I much prefer the snapshot method as I reach various stages of a project.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 11:57:28
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Yes this seems to be a very cool feature...I save Alt versions all the time using "save as" and run the risk of accidentally overwriting something I do not want to overwrite while bouncing back and forth. This saves me a step or two and removes the "dang, I did not mean to do that" moment I experience every now and then.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 12:01:07
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John
bapu
Kind of sad when on a peer-to-peer forum user explanation of function that has been tried by a peer is rejected.
Oh well. This forum is starting to sound like it needs to be renamed "Questions to Bakers Only (No Longer Peer-To-Peer Support)". Because this not the first time a response from CW is the only acceptable response by an OP.
Bapu that is uncalled for and totally wrong. That is not the point of this thread nor am I rejecting anything. I am unclear in my mind about this subject. I am asking this FORUM for help in trying to get an acceptable understanding for me. This is no reflection on the forum but a limitation I have.
I rely heavily on the CW documentation. When something is undocumented that is a real problem for me. One other reason I posted this thread is to alert CW about this problem.
You know my track record in my support of the Sonar forum. It really galls me that you would say such an obnoxious thing.
And when the forum answers (i.e. WallyG and I) you respond with (in your post 7): John
Right. That is what people say but I would like something documented from CW. It isn't that I don't appreciate what the forum is saying on it. I just am not completely sure if that is the full story.
Why is it not the "full story" when multiple people tell you what it does after trying it?
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 12:01:13
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Beepster
Bah! I was going to try to drag the Help PDF from the DAW to my lappy but apparently to access it I had to run the Help and Tuts installer which installed all that extra content for the tuts.
Now I can't find the isolated PDF. Anyone know where I can find it so I can toss it on a USB key and put it with the rest of my documentation?
I was actually going to see if I could find any reference to the Save Copy As function for you (even though I'm sure you've checked but who knows... maybe it's buried in there).
Anyhoo... this feature is going to be AWESOME for me if it works the way I think it does. I much prefer the snapshot method as I reach various stages of a project.
On my system its under Programs Files/Cakewalk/Sonar Platinum.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 12:09:47
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bapu
John
bapu
Kind of sad when on a peer-to-peer forum user explanation of function that has been tried by a peer is rejected.
Oh well. This forum is starting to sound like it needs to be renamed "Questions to Bakers Only (No Longer Peer-To-Peer Support)". Because this not the first time a response from CW is the only acceptable response by an OP.
Bapu that is uncalled for and totally wrong. That is not the point of this thread nor am I rejecting anything. I am unclear in my mind about this subject. I am asking this FORUM for help in trying to get an acceptable understanding for me. This is no reflection on the forum but a limitation I have.
I rely heavily on the CW documentation. When something is undocumented that is a real problem for me. One other reason I posted this thread is to alert CW about this problem.
You know my track record in my support of the Sonar forum. It really galls me that you would say such an obnoxious thing.
And when the forum answers (i.e. WallyG and I) you respond with (in your post 7):
John
Right. That is what people say but I would like something documented from CW. It isn't that I don't appreciate what the forum is saying on it. I just am not completely sure if that is the full story.
Why is it not the "full story" when multiple people tell you what it does after trying it?
I guess you missed the part where I say " This is no reflection on the forum but a limitation I have." You might ask yourself what that limitation might be. Could be a cognitive issue? BTW which is none of your concern.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 12:30:30
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Ah yes... there it is. Thanks.
As for whatever else is going on here... doesn't seem the type of thing for folks to get excited about. But waddoikno? I'm just a Beep.
It probably should documented though... if it isn't already but that's what the online version is for (can be updated easily). I did a google moogly search and nothing came up aside from some stuff about opening older projects which has nothign to do witht his new feature.
Anyhoo... got the manuals now. I'll give them a good home in my docs and tuts file for easy access.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 12:39:22
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I hear you Beep. This thread was not intended to upset anyone. It was for my own curiosity and me trying to understand a new feature fully.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 13:32:21
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I haven't tested it and would certainly like things such as this to be documented but I'd imagine a simple test should confirm what it does (which I will likely do myself soon).
My undertanding is...
Save As (which was the only option until now) = Creates a new project file of the current project. This leaves the previous saved version intact/as is (unless you specifically open and edit it) and now any changes made to the new Save As will be applied as soon as you click Save.
Save Copy As (new option) = Takes a snapshot of the project as is and sets it aside. You continue working in the original project and any Saves will only apply to the project you are working on. The Save Copy As version remains untouched (obviously).
Simple enough but the implication is that in theory now you can start your project, let's call it Platinum 1 Main, and use that project all the way until you complete the project. As you go you use Save Copy As to create backups at crucial points (Drums Tracked, Guits Tracked, Mix 1, Final Mix, Etc). This way if you main project goes nipples up you go back to your last Save Copy As.
To do this with the old Save As you would have to create TWO Save As copies of the project. The first one to take the snapshot and the second one to continue working with... which eventually would need to be Saved As twice again at each stage. This takes up more disk space (not much but it all adds up) and if you are obsessive about creating backup points your project folder ends up HUGE.
If your main, ongoing project gets corrupted (Platinum 1 Main) you revert to you last Save Copy As project, do a Save As (or Save Copy As) of that version to "Platinum Main 2" and that is now your new main working copy until you finish the project or experience another corruption event.
I know you probably know that already but based on some recent threads I think some people are having a hard time seeing the uses for this. I will definitely be using it.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 14:08:34
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Save Copy As is not unique to Sonar. Many editor applications use this function.
Here is the documentation from another prg.
There should be three options (though not in all programs):
"Save" - This will save the document without asking for a new name or location. It will over-write the original.
"Save As" - This will prompt you to save the document using a dialog box. You will have the ability to change the file name and/or location. If you choose the same file name and location it will over-write the original. Your working document will be the one you just saved.
"Save A Copy" - This will prompt you to save a 'copy' using the same dialog box as 'save as'. You will have the ability to change the file name and/or location. If you choose the same file name and location it will over-write the original. If you changed the name or location of the document you will be working on the original document not the copy. This means that if you make additional changes and then hit save the original will be overwritten with the new changes, but the copy you saved earlier will be left at the state of the "Save A Copy".
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 14:17:26
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Some proper answers are called for.
I read "Save Copy As" - save everything this project contains, audio, midi, mix scenes - the lot to a new location - and references inside to anything is changed to the new locations folders.
So that you can open this project as is - without interference with source project.
That is what I hope for - but don't care to guess my way....
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 14:17:27
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Jatoth and Beepster that is what I was looking for. I can wrap my head around it now. Thank you both!
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 14:19:21
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Susan G
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John
I have a feeling that I maybe over thinking this.
Probably.
It works exactly the same as it does in Excel, Word etc.
The current file which is loaded into memory will not be overwritten when you "save as". It creates a brand new version.
all these programs give you the opportunity to change the file location and lots of toher stuff as well before the save is written - file type & file name being the obvious ones.
You can also use "save as" to keep the same name but file it in a different location.
Hi Colin-
That's "Save As...", not the same thing. John's asking about "Save Copy As". There's now "Save," "Save As" and "Save Copy As." I asked about it here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3167737 and the question was answered; it's just not documented.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 14:31:57
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lfm
Some proper answers are called for.
I read "Save Copy As" - save everything this project contains, audio, midi, mix scenes - the lot to a new location - and references inside to anything is changed to the new locations folders.
So that you can open this project as is - without interference with source project.
That is what I hope for - but don't care to guess my way....
Yes it is like that but the new location is not a requirement. Its basically a name change without changing the current projects name in memory. A save as with no corresponding project name update. Heck, anyway I try to explain it it still seems inadequate.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 21:20:36
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John
Yes it is like that but the new location is not a requirement. Its basically a name change without changing the current projects name in memory. A save as with no corresponding project name update.
Heck, anyway I try to explain it it still seems inadequate.
Yup, I think you've got it. No need for feelings of Plat knowledge inadequacy around these parts. Personally, it's one of my favorite new features. My current project has versions A-Y saved as minor milestones along the way, all using the Save Copy As command so that the active project was always the working version. So not once during any session did I have to reload that working version like I would have using the traditional Save As command.
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Re: Save Copy As?
2015/03/02 22:24:52
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Thanks Steve. Lets hope so. LOL
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