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2013/05/07 17:46:41 (permalink)

Save your projects to a cloud drive

This is a pretty simple thing but something I just started doing myself.  I use SkyDrive myself but I am sure there are many out there.  Although SkyDrive is free.  When you do this instantly your project is backed up onto the cloud.  So even if total hard drive failure you won't lose your work.
 
Just wanted to share in case it helps someone.
 
 
 
 
Before this I was doing this with Amazon.com but had to do it separately, like after I saved normally.  This just feels so secure and easy to do it this way and instant!
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 17:56:35 (permalink)
    I don't get the concept of cloud storage. All your important information, music and personal stuff, that's so important you want to secure it in case of problems.

    I don't get how turning this info over to a stranger on the internet is secure. What happens to it when it's in the care of the cloud?

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 18:32:06 (permalink)
    Well I don't know about that but it is secure in the sense you won't lose it.

    I know I couldn't care less if someone "stole" my music files but I honestly don't see anything to worry about myself.
     
     
    edit:  I did a search and it is safe as long as you don't screw up the permissions, like allowing other people to access it. 
     
    There is lots of info on it out there and there are very secure alternatives but most likely cost money.
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 19:59:54 (permalink)
    There's about a thousand times better chance your computer at home will get stolen or hacked compared to having your data on Skydrive.
    I wouldn't worry about Skydrive ever getting hacked unless you work for the Pentagon.
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 20:22:36 (permalink)
    My computer has a hard drive slot that lets me insert a drive like an 8 track. I run a backup every week and pull the drive out for storage until I need it again. If I had a business I would do the same thing, except rotate 2 drives through the backup and keep one off site at all times. That makes me feel secure.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 20:52:42 (permalink)
    I find it funny that people are so worried about their privacy or whatever. Are you kidding me. TBBH, your just not worth the time. That goes for me as well.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 20:57:02 (permalink)
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    I don't get the concept of cloud storage. All your important information, music and personal stuff, that's so important you want to secure it in case of problems.

    I don't get how turning this info over to a stranger on the internet is secure. What happens to it when it's in the care of the cloud?
    It is not secure except from the owner. Your questions show great insight. I see no use for using an Internet based storage solution. It is no solution. All that it does is make it easier for the government and any one else to have access to all your data. You however might find it impossible to access it if for what ever reason such as lack of payment or a change of ownership that wants to change in the contract decides to end the cloud.  I'm not sure that there is any case law on it either. 

    To me its something ideally suited to empower hackers. They must be rejoicing.   


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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 22:37:53 (permalink)
    Why would the government want my music project? 

    Hard drives fail all the time, it is nice to instantly back up my project where I don't have to worry about it.

    I think a lot people need to take off their tin foil hats :D
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/07 23:17:31 (permalink)
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    Why would the government want my music project? 

    Hard drives fail all the time, it is nice to instantly back up my project where I don't have to worry about it.

    I think a lot people need to take off their tin foil hats :D

    The cloud is not just for your projects. LOL But in answer to your question because you make great music?

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 00:01:47 (permalink)
    I"m just getting into this cloud s.. stuff.  I wouldn't put something that could be of use to hackers on it.  Music?  I mean, who would want my music.  IF someone did, it would be making money?

    As far as the government - I know even paranoids have enemies, but come on.  Who is going to be looking through all the dreck.  They have programs that can find key words/phrases, but as long as you're not singing about your own personal jihad and blowing up the new world trade center you should be fine.  And if you are doing other neferious business on your computer, well, you shouldn't have any proof on it.

    In principal I'm agin government weaseling into private matters, but there is a lot more I would be concerned about before getting all worked up about some gunshoe rumaging through my deleted files and anything I put on the cloud.  It is there, sure, but so are the files of millions of others, each producing millions of pages.  We'll overwhelm them w/ electrons and they'll drown trying to keep up.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 00:10:11 (permalink)
    I do not like the idea of the cloud as a primary storage medium but the idea of online, offsite backup is appealing. But for me it would be another level of backup on top of my regular backups to an external hard disks.


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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 01:07:54 (permalink)
    I have been taking some on line college courses. I use Drop Box to save my course material. It's a bunch of very boring word and PDF docs.
     I also save the actual web site pages for later reference as the College recommend doing this. Once you complete the course you cannot access the material.  It's like your text book. 

    Drop box has been a huge time and work saver. I've been traveling about a bit and use 4 different computers,,, including my smart phone. 
    It is very cool to do a little work on a document and save it. It's stored both locally and on the net. 
    Sky drive doesn't seem to sync as well as drop box. Also Google drive seems badly done. 
    I wouldn't use it for music as those files are to big for my slow internet and limited bandwidth. But I would if I could. 


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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 01:13:22 (permalink)
    I really wasn't trying to be provocative, I just like to be in control of the few things I still have a hope of controlling. My world is so up my butt with technology, that I actually have to pay $2 to get a paper invoice for my utilities. I have to pay for the pleasure of being billed.  The Amish may be on to something.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 01:23:47 (permalink)
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    I"m just getting into this cloud s.. stuff.  I wouldn't put something that could be of use to hackers on it.  Music?  I mean, who would want my music.  IF someone did, it would be making money?

    As far as the government - I know even paranoids have enemies, but come on.  Who is going to be looking through all the dreck.  They have programs that can find key words/phrases, but as long as you're not singing about your own personal jihad and blowing up the new world trade center you should be fine.  And if you are doing other neferious business on your computer, well, you shouldn't have any proof on it.

    In principal I'm agin government weaseling into private matters, but there is a lot more I would be concerned about before getting all worked up about some gunshoe rumaging through my deleted files and anything I put on the cloud.  It is there, sure, but so are the files of millions of others, each producing millions of pages.  We'll overwhelm them w/ electrons and they'll drown trying to keep up.

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    For you that is fine the way you look at it but I find it a little short sighted. I really think that I have a right to privacy. I don't want my information run through at all. Its very much like how everyone seems OK with being frisked when they enter a government building or wish to visit a friend or relative. I grew up in a time when those things were unthinkable. Now we have gladly let others decide that its find to probe and prod into all our lives at their will. This is not a right you or anyone else has a say in giving up for me but its long gone.

    Each and everyone of us has data that defines us for various purposes. It may seem benign but if an error causes you to loose a loan or put you on the no fly list come back and tell me how you like your life open to any and all. 

    It bugs me that when I make a purchase I am offered other like things on the Internet.  If I do a search for an item days latter I may receive an Email listing similar things for sale. To some this is convenient. To me it is profiling me. And I know the profile is wrong.

     

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 02:00:54 (permalink)
    John, I was being facetious - well, halfway anyway.  We have too much information out there, which is wrong.  On the other hand, there is so much out there that it would be hard for the government to do anything w/ it unless you came up on the radar for some reason. 

    Of course, w/ the government's penchant for screwing up, it is all too easy to end up on that radar through no fault of one's own.

    But the lesson is not to put anything on the cloud you wouldn't want to publicize -or your mother to read.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 04:37:17 (permalink)
    I don't look at the cloud-scenario so much as a privacy problem, but an "I'm powerless -problem".

    If something goes wrong (legal issues concerning the system occur, major internet problem, ownership changes) what chances do I have to do anything if my files vanish or get unreachable? What are the actual responsibilities of the service provider?

    HDDs do fail and get stolen, yes, but handling them is something concretete I'm in controll of.

    The hacker-threat is one that should be taken seriously, anyway. You restore your project from the cloud...and it contains something nasty someone else put there???

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 06:34:37 (permalink)
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    Why would the government want my music project? 

    Hard drives fail all the time, it is nice to instantly back up my project where I don't have to worry about it.

    I think a lot people need to take off their tin foil hats :D



    When you say you are backing up your project can you be more precise in your description?


    Are you backing up your .cwp project. (That's the one you save when you hit "save")?


    or


    Are you backing up your project. (The one with all your linked sound file assets that will actually work as a back up should you actually need a backup)?






    Curious minds want to know. :-)






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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 08:22:20 (permalink)
    So far I have no linked sound files to save, but when/if I do I will back them up as well.  I pretty much use all soft synths/samplers and all so... :)
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 10:01:04 (permalink)
    Cloud storage should really be a disaster recovery solution.  You should still keep local backups and check them regularly.  Then, if the local backup fails, you can retrieve what you need from the cloud (which you've also been checking regularly).  A hard drive sitting on a shelf is much more likely to fail than the redundant and distributed storage that cloud services offer.

    As far as hacking, just keep in mind that you are small potatoes.  It's not worth a hacker's time to get access to something that will not have a payoff.  And, as for losing control, that's why you want to keep a copy of everything locally.  Besides, if you go with a service with a larger market share (skydrive, amazon, etc.) then it's highly unlikely that they'll disappear over night.  I'd be more worried that they'd start increasing the price further down the road.  However, with SANs becoming cheaper and cheaper and storage itself almost dirt cheap I don't think we'll see them doing that either.
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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 11:43:33 (permalink)
    Also, keep in mind that these cloud sites are business and business do at times close their doors.  What happens if all of a sudden they shut down? It's happend where your data is basically gone becuase they disconnected from the net.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 12:00:38 (permalink)
    Your not getting it. These are very useful back up solutions. Paranoia aside, 

    Your data is stored on every computer you install Drop box on as well as off site. Off site storage is a good idea, what good is having 6 hard drives all in the same building that blows up or burns down.  

    Like I said , If I was not limited by a 3 Gig a month connection I would certainly do "save as" to drop box. 

    Here's one way it would be a huge time saver.
     
    I record a lot of on location stuff. I take my Laptop. I then have to transfer that to a external drive or USB stick. 
    I then have to transfer that to my main DAW. 
    Later, I also will often take the mix downs and load them into my office computer which is part of my home stereo for a "Hi Fi" listen. 

    I am forever transferring files between computers. 

    With Drop Box the files are instantly shared between all you computers via the internet.  

    As I work on 3 computers I therefore would always have 3 copies on site as well as 1 off site.. Not to mention extras on data drives too. 

    Another example is I synced my wife's smart phone to dropbox and her laptop. All the pictures she takes with her phone automaticly become stored on the laptop ( once it has a connection). She also stores stuff she might need to refer to at a meeting in there and can pull it up on the phone.  This is the way the world works now. 



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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 12:20:47 (permalink)
    Cactus (and others) are right - it is not the solution but a solution.  Nothing digital exists unless it is in three places.  I've learned that the hard way.

    Privacy is an issue.  If you don't want info floating around on a cloud out there, don't use it.  But do have a storage solution offsite.  Not likely that your place will burn down, and if it does most files will be the least of your problems.  But no sense rubbing salt in the wounds, either.  I keep finished bu dvds at my mother's house 2.2 miles away.  Not far enough away for the wife, but close enough I can change them out every week or so.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 12:27:34 (permalink)
    Unbelievable! You guys crack me up. "The government's going to spy on me". "I like my privacy". LOL!!!!!

    Don't any of you get it? Do you have a checking account? A Debit card? Do you use those cards at the supermarket so you can get better deals? The drug store? Do you pay for your gas with your debit card? Any and all of those things are being tracked and recorded by data mining CORPORTATIONS NOT, the government. In fact, the government gets their information from those data mining corporations. As far as homeland security goes, that's a different animal altogether. Again, none of us are that important. The attitude is understandable, be it sad,  considering the individualistic society we've built.

    Bottom line? I think these online storage sites are good. Better safe and have all you stuff in case of an disaster than not. Besides, it will all be online within ten years anyway so get used to it.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 12:49:48 (permalink)
    At my day job, I build data centers as a Network Engineer. The hardware/software/deployment of data in a cloud is far more likely to be "saved" and recovered, should there be a fault. For example, imagine your data stored, not only 2 or 3 drives, but a nice, large array of them in multiple data racks an in multiple data centers with nightly backups. If a drive fails, you lose nothing. If a data center burns down, you lose nothing (except maybe an hour's or day's worth of work--if they aren't a good business). 

    Electrical power is provided with full generator backups, and in some cases served from multiple power grids. In case of a power loss, you get no corruption of your data. In fact, it would not surprise me if Cakewalk/Roland uses Cloudfront from Amazon AWS to serve up downloads and other things. Many development forms use GitHub to version their code. They trust the privacy.

    So, if you believe that keeping your data private is the only way to go, rest assured, your data is most likely less important to the rest of the world than the business who owns the storage machines where your data is stored and secured with encryption. I value the instance where an artist is very secretive about their music before release, but afterwards, it's all store-able in the cloud. Keeping reeled tape in Iron Mountain's caves is no longer the safest way to keep your data. 

    Now, I don't recommend cloud storage for active sessions. Only archived ones, and right now, local storage is still cheaper. I'd just keep three hard drives with a backup of each project with audio. Have two onsite and one off-site. Sync them every week. For one, Cloud storage is relatively slow for DAW work, and two, if you're having connectivity issues at the moment, you're idle. 

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 13:23:55 (permalink)
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    Also, keep in mind that these cloud sites are business and business do at times close their doors.  What happens if all of a sudden they shut down? It's happend where your data is basically gone becuase they disconnected from the net.

    Then, worst-case scenario, you only lose your *backups* temporarily.  Presumably, if your cloud provider was going under, you would get advance notice anyway and have time to find another backup solution.  Regardless, you still have your original files on your HD, so you just back them up to another cloud provider.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 13:40:43 (permalink)


    I can still barely get on the net today.

    Yesterday's Century Link meltdown is national news.

    I've been having the trouble for 2 months that Century Link hasn't been able to diagnose.

    I was working on a video at a IT business yesterday...  I took comfort in learning that it wasn't just my connection that was down. Now maybe someone will try and fix it.

    Hundreds of businesses in Tallahassee were calling in for support and the support message was... "it's out of our hands... Century Link is down."


    That was yesterday... they still haven't fixed it fully and I'm getting knocked off the net every few minutes.







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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 13:47:12 (permalink)
    Just do what I do and open two cloud storage accounts from competing firms. Google drive and Dropbox, for example. There's no exclusivity in the agreements. 

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 13:49:32 (permalink)
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    This is a pretty simple thing but something I just started doing myself.  I use SkyDrive myself but I am sure there are many out there.  Although SkyDrive is free.  When you do this instantly your project is backed up onto the cloud.  So even if total hard drive failure you won't lose your work.
     
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    Before this I was doing this with Amazon.com but had to do it separately, like after I saved normally.  This just feels so secure and easy to do it this way and instant!

    Maybe I'm wrong here, but reading through this thread, I think that some people are confusing keeping a backup/archive of your project files on the cloud with working in real-time from the cloud.  I'm pretty sure ATS is talking about using the cloud as a backup only (that's what I do).  The idea is that you work on your local HD, but make frequent backups to the cloud so that, in the unfortunate event that your HD fails, your studio goes up in flames, computer is stolen, etc., you can still retrieve your work.

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    Re:Save your projects to a cloud drive 2013/05/08 14:01:11 (permalink)
    I can't wait until I can run my DAW in a cloud. To be able to run it from any OS, any machine, and from anywhere I want would be amazing! That's a long ways off, but it's going to happen someday.

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