Saving problem - audio files diappear

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2013/04/11 17:12:06 (permalink)

Saving problem - audio files diappear

This is a similar problem I had before - and as a result I started saving more carefully: created a new folder just for a given project, and carefully saved everything for that in the same place - all on my desktop - all simply saved as "Normal". After a couple months when I tried to open the project, the Audio file folder was empty. Fortunately I had saved it in an external hard drive, and was able to retrieve it. But WHY do these Audio folders keep emptying or disappearing? I do nothing exotic or different that I'm aware of...just your basic "save", and often have then been able to go there several times and get the project in tact - until one time (often after a couple months or more) I go there and the file is empty. Thanks

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    chuckebaby
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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/11 19:48:43 (permalink)
    how are you saving your projects ?
    in a cakewalk projects folder?
    .CWP

    you should have all your files in one folder

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/11 19:54:24 (permalink)
    Do you have Preferences-File-Audio Data - "Use Per-Project Audio Folders" checked?
     
    Or is Sonar saving all projects' audio to one folder?

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 04:12:18 (permalink)
    I have been saving each project in it's own folder which I temporarily keep on my desktop. I keep everything related to that project there - in that one folder. "Use Per-Project Audio Folders" is checked, and I have periodically checked and seen them there. They are Cakewalk Project Files (.cwp). And as I mentioned before, most of the time I don't have a problem, but then they abruptly disappear.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 05:02:39 (permalink)
    Veeeery odd.
    This must be David Copperfield-magic. Statue of Liberty did not really disappear. Files don't disappear unless a malware is cutting off the path data (I've seen it happen).

    If you keep Per Project Audio Folder temporarily on your desktop (why???), where do you move them later?
    Have you checked all the save-path settings in the Preferences? IIRC as default the audio is saved in the project file in the Cakewalk Projects-folder. Are 100% sure you don't accidentally jump between two different folders?


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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 09:50:32 (permalink)
    You do not need to do all that. Its pointless. Sonar does this for you, automatically...

    Just use CWP and per project folders and Sonar will Automatically save each project in its own folder. And when you want to back it up , just use the 'Save As' to save it to another hard drive. Its really really simple.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 14:55:27 (permalink)
    happened to me once in x1 when sonar crashed. no malware and no trace of files via 3 different hard disk recovery programs. hate the feeling when others report this issue.

     
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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 17:41:12 (permalink)
    The reason I do it is exactly because it has not been that simple. Many times I have gone to open a folder in cwp and then they aren't there. Then I have to go look. This is an attempt to simplify that search. This has always been an irritation for me, and it also happens in Sibelius. For no apparent reason - saving as I always do, nothing changed or exotic, the files aren't there. The easy search in Windows 7 helped finding files tremendously, but it's still a nuisance. I do nothing different...save the same each time, and some are there and often some are not. It has always been a mystery to me.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 19:38:35 (permalink)
    Same thing happened to me (I think). I just started using Sonar, so I don't have a bunch of projects, but I've got 7 songs I've recorded so far, all pertaining to one band. I tried to keep things organized by creating a folder named for the band, then moved everything to that folder.
    When I opened a project in Sonar, I got some sort of message sayign that my audio files were gone and asking would I like to search for them. In a panic I answered 'yes', but the search yielded nothing! Now I started freaking out, thinking of all the work I had put into those 7 songs/projects. I went back to my folders and put everything back the way they were before I got 'organized' and thank heavens everything seems to be working fine now.
    I learned my lesson - leave well enough alone!

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 20:35:51 (permalink)
    Taller


    Same thing happened to me (I think). I just started using Sonar, so I don't have a bunch of projects, but I've got 7 songs I've recorded so far, all pertaining to one band. I tried to keep things organized by creating a folder named for the band, then moved everything to that folder.
    When I opened a project in Sonar, I got some sort of message sayign that my audio files were gone and asking would I like to search for them. In a panic I answered 'yes', but the search yielded nothing! Now I started freaking out, thinking of all the work I had put into those 7 songs/projects. I went back to my folders and put everything back the way they were before I got 'organized' and thank heavens everything seems to be working fine now.
    I learned my lesson - leave well enough alone!

    Instead of moving the files outside Sonar, use "Save As" in Sonar, and make sure "copy all audio with project" is checked.
     
    By default, Sonar stores all audio folders in one location, something like: Cakewalk Projects/Audio.
     
    Per project audio makes life so much easier.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/12 21:43:25 (permalink)
    never had a saving issue unless it was a crash.
    I've even saved to an external HD at one point.

    your projects should be saved by default in C/cakewalk projects.
    inside that folder you should have your projects files.

    each project file should consist of a sonar x2.EXE and another folder with all your (.WAV) audio files in it.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/13 18:35:54 (permalink)
    This is what I have done. Copy All Audio with Project is checked. The files that I mentioned I put "temporarily on the desktop" were save there by using "Save As", and designating that folder.
    post edited by djayers1 - 2013/04/13 18:50:17

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/13 18:46:22 (permalink)
    As I said, this is what I have done all along - standard, nothing exotic: ".cwp" Key word here is "should". The problem is sometimes - having saved them within Cakewalk (.cwp) or in that Desktop folder (also ".cwp"), they none the less sometimes disappear. I agree they "should" be there, but why do the Audio files sometimes disappear? It seems to me that something is emptying just those Audio files. The folder is still there together with the framework of the project (all the tracs and their names, any automation editing, etc.), but the Audio file with all the sounds of those tracs is empty.

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/13 19:00:43 (permalink)
    Djayers in your post you say you save audio in the cwp files. This can't happen. Audio is saved as separate files outside the project either in a folder called audio or in a folder that is a subfolder of the project folder and also called audio. The later is done when you have per project folders checked in the preferences.

    CWP files only hold MIDI and pointers to audio files. 

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    Re:Saving problem - audio files diappear 2013/04/14 17:15:07 (permalink)
    I just mean I save my project as a normal cwp file, and of course Cakewalk then creates the Audio folder. In any case, they are together in the file that I created on my desktop. They are also together when simply saving them normally within Cakewalk. But also in both cases, the folder sometimes gets emptied (I have checked and it wasn't empty at first - not until later).

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