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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 03:28:03
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Well I can't disagree with him. Not sure anyone would really care what he thinks though.
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 06:17:52
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Leo Sayer lost any credibility for me when he had a hissy fit and walked out of the celebrity big brother house because his demands for fresh underwear were refused and he was told to wash his own dirty ones. He's calling McCartney embarrasing? Macca was there, rightly as a National icon, a worthy representative of Great Britain's culture, not as the performer he once was. Do we mock the Chelsea pensioners because they are crap fighters these days? Leo's finest moment:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKlIS2jf87g
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 07:46:39
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Jonbouy
Do we mock the Chelsea pensioners because they are crap fighters these days?
Certainly not. However, we wouldn't expect them to give a demonstration of unarmed combat either. 
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 08:05:41
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I like beetles
Interesting that Macca is working with Mark Ronson.
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 08:32:08
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jamesg1213
Jonbouy
Do we mock the Chelsea pensioners because they are crap fighters these days?
Certainly not. However, we wouldn't expect them to give a demonstration of unarmed combat either.
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 08:55:09
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Hi, Honestly ... I am not into star bashing, but in many ways, while Paul is good, he has lost a lot of his ability and is just cruising on his fame. His "talent" is long gone, and his artistry is the same onld rehash now. I do get tired of some of these people being shown in TV because they are a star ... and again, while Paul should/could/would be appreciated, the fact of the matter is that many others do not get the chance ... and they deserve it, much better than Paul these days. As I stated before, if you or I had a band and we did any of the songs in the last Rolling Stones album, we would be getting boo'd and be told to go back to the garage ... but because it is the Rolling Stones, it is acceptable ... by somebody ... which tells you that it is just a commercial ploy to get some sales done to make money. Sorry ... I've been off the kis$thata$h mode a long time ago, and seriously ... Paul has already had his 15 minutes! And the CHB deserve theirs much more now ... for effort alone!
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daryl1968
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 09:51:20
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Moshkiae
Hi,
Honestly ... I am not into star bashing, but in many ways, while Paul is good, he has lost a lot of his ability and is just cruising on his fame. His "talent" is long gone, and his artistry is the same onld rehash now.
I do get tired of some of these people being shown in TV because they are a star ... and again, while Paul should/could/would be appreciated, the fact of the matter is that many others do not get the chance ... and they deserve it, much better than Paul these days.
As I stated before, if you or I had a band and we did any of the songs in the last Rolling Stones album, we would be getting boo'd and be told to go back to the garage ... but because it is the Rolling Stones, it is acceptable ... by somebody ... which tells you that it is just a commercial ploy to get some sales done to make money.
Sorry ... I've been off the kis$thata$h mode a long time ago, and seriously ... Paul has already had his 15 minutes! And the CHB deserve theirs much more now ... for effort alone!
have you heard 'My Valentine' written last year?
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Moshkiae
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 10:00:57
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have you heard 'My Valentine' written last year? I would much rather enjoy the Coffee House Band ... sorry! Big fudging deal ... again ... if it were you or I, no one would be listening to it!
As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys!
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daryl1968
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 10:07:51
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Moshkiae
have you heard 'My Valentine' written last year?
I would much rather enjoy the Coffee House Band ... sorry! Big fudging deal ... again ... if it were you or I, no one would be listening to it!
nuff said :)
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Chaos Choir
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 10:14:04
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bapu
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:36:39
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Chaos Choir
Most of these 'older' acts are still around touring and recording to most likely pay for their grandkids orthodontist bills or to build additions to their already huge mansions.
Ya, I'm pretty sure ** it has nothing to do with the fact that music is their first true love. ** You know, like 0.0142768930% sure.
post edited by bapu - 2012/08/07 11:47:10
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bapu
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:40:35
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OK, here's my theory.
Paul is in a cover/tribute band doing Macca/Wings and Beatles.
When we're crazy drunk/high/escaping life in whatever fashion and we hear a song we love being covered (in any condition), we hear the original in our head, not the cover being presented. Especially if we sing along loud enough to drown out what we are hearing.
The complainers were just not singing loud enough.
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spacey
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:45:45
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I don't know Sir McCartneys' reasons for anything but
I sure know how much his music has meant to me in my life.
I don't like to hear people speak ill of him...not one bit and don't
care who they are.
I surely believe they'd be better off not saying anything if they
didn't have something good to say about him.
I think the same caliber of people that would are the same type
that have made bad remarks about one of the olympian gymnasts hair....pathetic and
glad I don't personally know the fools.
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bapu
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:47:32
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Sorry Michael, it was just a joke. My previous post I mean.
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daryl1968
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:51:42
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spacey
I don't know Sir McCartneys' reasons for anything but
I sure know how much his music has meant to me in my life.
I don't like to hear people speak ill of him...not one bit and don't
care who they are.
I surely believe they'd be better off not saying anything if they
didn't have something good to say about him.
I think the same caliber of people that would are the same type
that have made bad remarks about one of the olympian gymnasts hair....pathetic and
glad I don't personally know the fools.
Well said sir - respect due is what I say.
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spacey
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 11:59:48
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Come on Ed...you know I meant personal attacks or rude comments.
I find it very hurtful for one to be bashing him about his performance
due to ageing. Surely he has earned enough respect to doing what
makes him feel good. Hell he could sing in a completely different key
and I would enjoy seeing him having a good time while he still can.
I know you agree too my friend. Poking fun is good stuff.
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spacey
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 12:03:35
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 12:47:41
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 12:55:59
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Chaos Choir
some of these musicians should, at the very least, be aware that they (some) have truly lost their luster and should just call it quits.
Why do you think they should just call it quits?
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:10:37
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What's worst? A legendary musician who's understandably no longer in the best vocal shape of is life but keeps on signing OR a has-been b!tching about other musicians on Facebook...
post edited by Rain - 2012/08/07 13:14:05
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:16:29
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I'm an admirer of Macca, but being honest: Who can say the performance wasn't embarrassing?
The embarrassement was enhanced by the the very unbritish accident, the failure in the sound system/mixing.
All Maccas big hits are incredibly demanding for the singer, and his voice just doesn't do anymore. He should be more selective and simply drop the tough ones from his set list.
Roger Daltrey is very much in the same situation. It's too painful to listen to ones idol and having to imagine how it should sound. That's why I don't even consider going to the concerts of my biiig favourite Jethro Tull anymore.
Icons, yes, but to remain an icon and avoid becoming a target of "understanding" nods requires a timely retirement or a change of style. The artist needs to be able to change with his increasing limitations. That way he maintains dignity and true appreciation.
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:18:28
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Rain
What's worst?
A legendary musician who's understandably no longer in the best vocal shape of is life but keeps on signing OR a has-been b!tching about other musicians on Facebook...
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jamesg1213
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:24:08
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daryl1968
Moshkiae
Hi,
Honestly ... I am not into star bashing, but in many ways, while Paul is good, he has lost a lot of his ability and is just cruising on his fame. His "talent" is long gone, and his artistry is the same onld rehash now.
I do get tired of some of these people being shown in TV because they are a star ... and again, while Paul should/could/would be appreciated, the fact of the matter is that many others do not get the chance ... and they deserve it, much better than Paul these days.
As I stated before, if you or I had a band and we did any of the songs in the last Rolling Stones album, we would be getting boo'd and be told to go back to the garage ... but because it is the Rolling Stones, it is acceptable ... by somebody ... which tells you that it is just a commercial ploy to get some sales done to make money.
Sorry ... I've been off the kis$thata$h mode a long time ago, and seriously ... Paul has already had his 15 minutes! And the CHB deserve theirs much more now ... for effort alone!
have you heard 'My Valentine' written last year?
I thought that was the best thing he'd written in years. Moshkiae
Big fudging deal ... again ... if it were you or I, no one would be listening to it! Well look at it another way - it's a great song, so because McCartney wrote it, we get to hear it.
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jamesg1213
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:25:52
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Kalle Rantaaho
It's too painful to listen to ones idol and having to imagine how it should sound. That's why I don't even consider going to the concerts of my biiig favourite Jethro Tull anymore.
+1. I have to be careful saying that though, some guy signed on the forum earlier this year just to give me a good telling off for it. Think it might have been Ian Anderson actually..
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 13:53:25
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South of Heaven is one of my favorite albums. Wait... what are you guys talking about? ;-p
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 14:01:13
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I remember seeing Chet Atkins not long before his passing...
It was very easy to see (and hear) the effects of age.
I could see in his eyes the effect it had when a lick wasn't
to his past abilities but he was still having a great time.
Even though his playing wasn't what it once was and he and
all there knew it...I was so very glad to hear him and see him doing
what he loved and having a great time.
It wasn't about me and what I expected from him...
I thought it was so cool because his fans were there supporting
him -as I was in my easy chair.....to the end.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 14:11:55
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I wonder if we could consider that they may keep on performing for the sake of their fans? Considering how long Paul may have been waiting to go on, what conditions the monitor mix was in at the moment and various other things that may have been going on, I'd say he recovered well and most of his bit was quite enjoyable.
I saw him when he turned 60 and he sang for a long time and didn't miss a lick. Hearing the songs that I listened to as a kid brought me to a special place that evening.
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 14:23:24
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Tom Jones on the other hand.......is it me, or does his voice get better with age?
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bapu
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Re:Sayer v. McCartney
2012/08/07 14:23:38
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When I heard Macca in 2001/2002 (can't quite recall the year) he was spot on.
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