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2011/09/06 12:40:14 (permalink)

Score readers: Can you help me?

Folks,

Can any of you guys who can read music tell me what these chords are?  I find there are certain chord progressions that for some reason don't go stale if there looped continuously.  And that a melody or vocal has got so much more room for variety then other progressions.

Its almost like there some resolved but yet unresolved feeling to the progression and many different harmonies can be overlayed.  I don't read music and I'm not an instrument player so I hope I'm making sense here.  Is there a name for such chords or whats the secret?



Thanks for your time...
post edited by moffdnb - 2011/09/06 12:53:06
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    kc2ine
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 12:43:38 (permalink)
    hey, your image won't display...404 error.

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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 12:50:05 (permalink)
    Here is the image. What key is the song in? Without knowing the key it's hard to say whether the notes without accidentals are natural, flat or sharp.



    post edited by Chappel - 2011/09/06 12:56:42
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 12:56:01 (permalink)
    Sorry about that.  Fixed now.  Forgot to add http

    Key?  Dang again, I'm not sure.  I think its C.  Not at Sonar here.  Though would it make a difference as you can transpose the chords to anything key no?


    Hope you can forgive my ignorance here ;>
    post edited by moffdnb - 2011/09/06 12:58:37
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 13:07:24 (permalink)
    moffdnb


    Sorry about that.  Fixed now.  Forgot to add http

    Key?  Dang again, I'm not sure.  I think its C.  Not at Sonar here.  Though would it make a different as you can transpose the chords to anything key no?


    Hope you can forgive my ignorance here ;>

    I don't know if you saw my edit above. We need to know if the notes without accidentals are natural, flat or sharp. Also, it is unclear if the staff has a treble or bass clef. If it's treble clef the first chord contains E#, which would be written as F in the key of C, and a Cb, which would be written as B in the key of C. This suggest to me that the key is other than C which means other notes that have no accidentals may be sharp or flat. If you could show the far left of the staff which contains the clef and key signature it would be easy enough to figure out what the chords are. heck, I could probably give you at least two different chord names for each chord.
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 13:11:37 (permalink)
    I see.  I shall go back and repost in the next day or so.  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction ;>
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 13:49:09 (permalink)
    Actually this might be easier.  As I was using a audio to midi transcriber to get these chords.

    Basically its this progression that repeats throughout.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnGYEP8bgIk
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 14:52:05 (permalink)
    Looks to me like it's bass clef and key of Ab major/C minor (IOW the G#'s should be notated as Ab's).

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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 16:10:36 (permalink)
    moffdnb


    Actually this might be easier.  As I was using a audio to midi transcriber to get these chords.

    Basically its this progression that repeats throughout.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnGYEP8bgIk

    This is what is sounds like to me. It's mostly fm7-cm7. Sometimes it sounds like there is an Ab6 chord for the fm7. 
    I think there are also places where the cm is used instead of the cm7.  
    Now that I think about it, a DbMaj7 can also be used for the fm7. 



    post edited by Chappel - 2011/09/06 18:34:34
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 18:36:36 (permalink)
    So there is nothing really unusual with such chords?

    I've tried many progressions but can rarely find something that can carry throughout a whole song and at the same time give a large scope for harmonies and melodies.


    Is there a general name for these type of chords?  Like "Diminished/Augmented" ect
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 19:37:41 (permalink)
    moffdnb


    So there is nothing really unusual with such chords?

    I've tried many progressions but can rarely find something that can carry throughout a whole song and at the same time give a large scope for harmonies and melodies.


    Is there a general name for these type of chords?  Like "Diminished/Augmented" ect


    I wouldn't say they were unusual. I think it pretty much breaks down to a IV-I progression in the key of c minor (same key signature as Eb Major, 3 flats). IV to I progressions are pretty common in both major and minor keys.  


    I didn't hear any diminished or augmented chords in the YouTube video you posted a link to. A diminished chord is a minor chord with a flatted fifth. Augmented chords can be very dissonant. An augmented chord is a major chord with a raised fifth. Diminished chords occur naturally but an augmented chord is an altered chord

    The chords in this song are mostly minor seventh chords which are extended chords. Take the note C in c minor. Skip a note and the next note is the third note, Eb. Skip a note and the next note is G, the fifth note up. That gives you the chord c minor. Skip a note and the next note is Bb, the seventh note up. That gives you c minor 7th. Skip a note and the next note is D, the ninth note in the extended scale. That gives us a c minor 9 chord. That's how you make extended chords. You don't change any notes, you just keep adding notes. These kinds of chords can be very pretty and lush. 


    The two chords in this song have the kind of vibe they have because they don't resolve to anything. Add the fifth chord in the sequence, G major (or G7) and you'll hear the tonal center they are revolving around like a moth circling a flame. 

    post edited by Chappel - 2011/09/06 19:54:10
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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/06 19:53:05 (permalink)
    Yes, the qualities still exist for even the most "unusual" chords. However, the types used depends on the style/genre, but also the composer when it comes to performance.

    Not all chords that look the same, sound the same
    Adversely, not all chords that sound the same, look the same.

    Ab+ ( + means augmented or raised) = Ab, C, Eb (raised) = Ab, C, E natural

    However, given the inversions:

    Ab+ (first inversion) = C, E, G# = C+ (root position)

    Ab+ (second inversion) = E, G#, B# E+ (root position) = C+ (first inversion)

    Boldface note names are changed due to quality rules and key signature.

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    Re:Score readers: Can you help me? 2011/09/07 05:42:06 (permalink)
    Very interesting and helpfull yall.

    I will play around with this info.  "like a moth to a flame" is what i'm after.

    Thanks for taking the time ;>
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