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2018/06/01 23:53:11 (permalink)

Seagate HDs

Hi folks,
 
Seagate HDs seemed to have a bad reputation for a while -- I was always advised to avoid them by the folks at my local computer stores, and I can even recall owning one or two that turned into bricks way too early in their operational life. 
 
Is that still the case? I hear rumours -- and have read the occasional review -- that suggest Seagate has upped their QC game and their drives are much better products than they used to be. 
 
I'd be curious to hear from any of the knowledgeable folks on these forums about your view and/or recent experiences with Seagate products. 
 
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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/02 01:17:38 (permalink)
I have no recent experience with Seagate drives. 
I do have quite a bit of pleasant experience with Toshiba drives though.
 

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/02 17:00:56 (permalink)
I have used dozens of WD drives, and only had one failure in the last 15+ years.  It was a SATA 1TB WD Blue  7200rpm HDD, and that failure was graceful, in that it developed bad sectors, but did not fail completely.  I ordered a new drive, restored a good image onto it, and was up and running again.
 
I have only had one Seagate drive, it was a 2TB model, and it failed with less than a year of use.  I realize that is only a sample of one, but I think I will pass.  That failure was so bad, I could not get the computer BIOS to recognize that a drive was plugged in. Total fail.
 
I have also have had a great experience with a Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB, chugging away daily for 2.5 years, and still at 100%.  Although I have a friend with the same drive, about the same age, that failed while he was on vacation and left the PC on. Total fail.  It could have been a power surge or something, not sure.
 
I believe that all drives will fail, it's just a gamble on how soon.  Imaging is your best friend.  So have a plan! 
 
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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/02 17:34:43 (permalink)
I have several newer (within last year) Seagate drives and no problems.  There were certain models that did have reliability problems but that has been at least 5 years ago. 
 

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/03 03:50:04 (permalink)
I always go with Seagate if possible, have done since mid to late 90's, never had an issue to speak of, replaced them when I needed something bigger or built a new PC. I can't say the same for the WD and Samsung drives I have had. Before going with Seagate I used Quantum drives, which I believe became Maxtor, or was purchased by them.

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/03 09:51:06 (permalink)
I had some Seagate issues about 5 or 6 years ago, so avoided them for some time - but the last couple I have had have been OK
However I think the best ones I have used have been either Toshiba or Samsung - on SSD discs I am using Crucial, and they have been rock solid so far
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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/06/03 19:13:33 (permalink)
I think they're all about the same nowadays.
I've had a few Seagate drives and they're the same as WD or Toshibas re: reliability etc.

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/03 12:42:23 (permalink)
If you survey enough people, you'll find that every brand of HDD has had a failure in their experience. I've used a few Samsung and WD drives without incident.
 
Some particular brand/models have had egregious failure percentages, the 3TB Seagate ST3000DM001 in particular. That particular drive generated a lawsuit.  I have owned four of those drives, and two have outright died; failed to spin up, or spin up, and not transfer data. I am working to replace the two remaining 3TB models before anything else bad happens. In contrast, a 2TB Seagate ST2000DM001 has been my main recording drive for five years, and has been perfect.
 
My arsenal of HDD's is now mostly HGST (8x) with a few (4x) WD products sprinkled among them. All the SSD's are Crucial (6x) and (3x) Intel. 

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/03 12:57:45 (permalink)
Scroll down a bit to see lifetime stats. (from 2013)
 
https://www.backblaze.com...ive-stats-for-q1-2018/

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/03 13:24:25 (permalink)
Never had a problem w/ Seagate (knock on wood!).
 
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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/03 14:10:51 (permalink)
This post always flies by when I don't have time to write, but I would not get too caught up in "brand" over "form/fit/function" when choosing drives.
 
The reality of things is that a lot of the components in drives are common (i.e., from vendors; such as media, gimbal arms, flex-on-suspensions, etc.), so a lot of the "brand" boils down to the heads. I have yet to have a HDD fail on me, and actually have a ST3000DM001 as the data drive in the Win7 machine I just replaced (in service from 7/2011-2/2018, but the entire machine is still fully functional). I was always waiting for that particular drive to be my first kill, but I never killed it.
 
As much will go into how a drive is used as to what brand it is; although, in general, mobile drives are designed to higher heat and shock specs than desktop drives. Heads can see intense heat with constant writes (regardless of brand - the spec "used" to be over 250C!), so massive write operations will put any HDD to its most critical test. Operations like copying an entire drive when only 4 data files have changed on it are only going to decrease the useful life of the heads on the target drive (why using something like xcopy to backup data files is not only quicker, but less stress to the drive (heads)).
 
Quick edit - There is a Wikipedia article on the ST3000DM001, and one comment in that (line above the Class Action section) stands out... "the ST3000DM001 was the only drive without a rotational vibration sensor that counteracts excessive vibration in heavy-usage cases." This makes sense with my experience as well, since the "how" for me never fell into a "heavy-usage case" with the exception of the monthly C: drive images that I did to it. Also (probably more important point), my drive was build prior to the Thailand flood, and it could easily be that the ones affected were "rushed to market" to exploit the drive shortage after the flood occurred.
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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/03 21:58:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2018/07/04 02:32:43
Bottom line is that all drives can, and will, fail eventually.  The only way to be prepared for that eventuality is with a reasonable backup and restore plan.  Backups/disk images are relatively easy these days, and cost depends on how much data you need to back up.

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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/04 16:11:39 (permalink)
It's a longstanding principle that all drives fail, that you must treat them as temporary storage and employ redundancy to guard against inevitable data loss.
 
At least, that's been my guiding principle since I bought my first hard drive in 1985. That was based on what, at that time, was 5 years of previous experience (through my day job) with other peoples' drives. Mostly organizations such as insurance companies, banks and government agencies who could actually afford disk drives but really hated to lose them. My job included repairing disk drives (yes, we actually took them apart and put them back together in those days), so I got to see a lot of failed drives (and the consequent hand-wringing, freakouts, firings and demotions). That experience made me cautious.
 
However, the truth is I have personally had very few actual failures in all those years: one dead drive out of 50 or so. None in the last 20 years.
 
Partly, that's due to improved reliability. But mostly it's due to obsolescence predating lifespan. I think I've bought between one and four new drives in nearly every one of those intervening years. None had to survive more than 2 years. Of course, as many of you know, my downfall wasn't the result of drive failure, but robbery. Didn't plan for that!
 
Every drive manufacturer has gone through periods of poor quality. There was a time when nobody wanted to touch Western Digital. Nowadays, it's all I use. Seagate stands out, though, as having had multiple such periods. Bob's link is sobering:
 

 


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Re: Seagate HDs 2018/07/05 16:34:21 (permalink)
 I've had to RMA WD Black drives twice, never a WD Blue.   I had a Seagate 500Gb finally go bad and that was a drive at least 10 years old.
 
 I have no idea what Seagates RMA service is but WD sends you a drive and you send the other one back.  I wish a lot of hardware companies did this.

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