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2018/11/20 18:46:11 (permalink)

Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite?

I haven't found a DAW with a workflow/UI that I like better than SONAR/CbB, but I'm in a mood to get a second DAW while they are on sale... FWIW, I mostly record audio (classic rock type stuff) and sometimes will use electronic drums to drive Addictive Drums. Not a lot of tracks. Not a lot of effects. Not a lot of fancy editing.
 
I own Studio 1 Artist 3.5 so I can upgrade to S1P 4.x for $149. I've basically liked what I've seen S1P 3.x but I do not like being forced to use a console/mixer to mix. I rather like the SONAR option of just using the vol/pan/etc controls in Track View. There are certainly lots of happy S1 users out there and a busy forum for help and guidance. 
 
There is also the option to buy the Samplitude Pro X3 Suite (with free upgrade to X4 Suite next month) for $199. My first feeling on Samplitude was OK. Don't like the separate mixer window, but I can mix just using their version of the Track View. The UI seems a bit dated, but I was able to get a simple recording done without referring to help pages. The potential bonus here is that the X3 Suite comes with Sound Forge Pro 11 (which I already own/use). My hope would be that the X4 Suite includes Sound Forge Pro 12. Then I'd be getting a new DAW plus a Sound Forge upgrade. But nothing I've found online confirms what version of Sound Forge would be in X4 Suite.
 
Both offers expire later this week. I know there are people here that have added one or the other of these apps to their toolbox.
 
Thoughts?
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 20:00:18 (permalink)
I bought the Samplitude X3 Suite during the chaos when Sonar was abandoned. I didn't do much with it until the last few weeks. There's a fairly steep learning curve, like Sonar, but man this software is DEEP! The sound is great as well, of course Samplitude is known for it's sound. I don't have any experience with Studio One, but I can tell you that I'm very glad I bought Samplitude. Plus I got Sound Forge 11, Spectralayers 4, the Independence soft synth with 70Gb worth of sounds, etc, etc. In my opinion, the Samplitude Suite would be the best choice. You get a LOT for your money.
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 20:11:25 (permalink)
my changeover from sonar to studio one 3.5 was very very smooth.
 
plus, the project page is worth the price of admission alone.
 

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 20:12:42 (permalink)
They all take time to learn well. This is probably the main hangup I have with multiple DAWS. Unless you happen to be gainfully retired with tons of time on your hands it can be a challenge to sit down every evening and learn a  new DAW when you could be making music instead.
 
Of the 4 or so DAWS I bought I seldom use them. I do what's the easiest with the least amount of time. I use the one I'm most familiar with. Some of the plugins will cross over but many won't, meaning they only work in that DAW. That cool limiter you like can probably only be used in said DAW. 
 
All the DAWS you mentioned are pretty good. I would suggest to try the free demos if available to see if it floats your boat. Now is probably one of the best times of year if you've decided to do it. I don't think CbB is going anywhere either. You will be likely be spending a lot of time with your DAW. A cool feature might seem like something you would die for until you realize you'll seldom use it. Similar to you, I use my DAW as a glorified recording machine most of the time. Most of em will do that in spades. It's really a very subjective choice. Many have crossed over and came back for a number of reasons. 
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 20:33:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry2 2018/11/22 22:15:01
I also jumped over to Samplitude last year. Already had experience from owning an older version in the 90s.
Tried Studio One and it seemed stifling compared to CbB and Samplitude. Samplitude wins for me, hands down!!!
Very steep learning curve but worth every second. Best all in one DAW I have ever worked with.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 21:22:30 (permalink)
I know that is not an argument for most people when consider a DAW, but...
 
Samplitude has good accessibility implementation and they cooperate with related developers. I mean they care about relatively small group of users. The only other DAW with that property is REAPER.
 
Cakewalk was the best in that respect, with 8.5. They have completely dropped that in the new UI.
All other (S1 inclusive) simply do not care. JUCE developers clearly stated that is not economically feasible... and as very popular platform for plug-ins, they cut not sighted musicians from many modern plug-ins.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 21:39:52 (permalink)
I'll throw in my 2 cents worth.  Last year after the Cakewalk crash I bough Studio One, Harrison Mixbus, and Traction Waveform.  After trying all of them out I can say that they all would be adequate for most people.  They all have different strengths and weaknesses and none of them are perfect for every person.  I personally think that you should learn one main DAW and then have a second, or third if you have the time, as a backup or for a feature that the other may not have or handle as well.
 
I personally don't have the time to keep up with 4 different DAWs but I can handle one as a main DAW and use the other as needed.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 21:41:31 (permalink)
I like Tracktion Waveform. It's very affordable, and has a unique,  different work flow. It's also got a fun factor.
I also like Harrison Mixbus, although I rarely use it.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 22:17:51 (permalink)
i bought s1p mostly for it's mastering page.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/20 22:50:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry2 2018/11/22 22:16:11
Thanks for the replies (more welcome too). I'm leaning toward buying Samplitude as it *may* get me a Sound Forge update as part of the X4 Suite.
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 00:07:21 (permalink)
I, too, like Mixbus very much but I work with midi so much and the midi editing in Mixbus is terrible. I use Mixbus a lot for tracking live audio projects.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 00:28:19 (permalink)
Spend a couple weeks with each demo.  Decide what works best for you.  It's probably good to have a 2nd (backup DAW), just in case, or for creative purposes.  But beyond two DAWs, it's going to be a real time burner.  I'm trying to stretch it to 3.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 01:09:53 (permalink)
I brought Presonus Studio one 3.5, Samplitude Pro X3 and Tracktion Waveform 8 when Sonar exited the scene.
I didn't register Studio One until 4 came out and I got Studio One version 4 upgrade for free. I'm glad I did get the extra ones. I like Tracktion for what they are doing and it is a great scratchpad DAW. Samplitude reminds me of Sonar 8.5 layout in a way and I really like that Samplitude so far has not forgot about folks with bad eyesight. (that would be me) I'm really glad I got it last year at the sale price. Studio One I believe I will use it like Craig does for Mastering. I'm still trying to figure the DAW out. I almost got Mixcraft Pro 8 too. It is a very capable DAW but sanity won out :)
I also tried MOTU Digital Performer and I really did like it but with my eyesight I couldn't see myself long term with it. It was really hard for me to read the small typeface :(
 
Anyway I'm glad I got the extra DAW's. Playing around with them I learned that they all have pluses and minuses to them. I'm actually looking forward to see what Samplitude Pro X4 brings to the table. But I'm so glad Cakewalk is still alive. Now Noel and company get a hold of Don from Overture and cut a deal to upgrade the staff view pretty please.
 

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 01:50:13 (permalink)
Studio One 4 Pro currently has a Black Friday upgrade price of $74.98.  Can't beat that with a stick.  I say go for it.  I might have to jump at that myself.  
 
EDIT:  I see you mentioned you have the Artist edition, so you were right...the upgrade is currently $149.98.  That's still pretty good.  Look at it this way.  Even if you decided it didn't perfectly meet your needs, the project view is still a dream for mastering.  So it's not a wasted investment in any case. :)

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 03:29:59 (permalink)
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I really like that Samplitude so far has not forgot about folks with bad eyesight.




I didn't realize this, but that may be a factor for all of us in years to come. Much of your question boils down to personal preference, but it seems to be hinged on SF12 for you. You may want to email them directly and see if they give you a response (never hurts to ask). Otherwise, both come with a lot of features, and for basic tracking/mixing it will come down to splitting hairs and your personal workflow. If you have already gotten your feet wet with both of them, checking out videos online may help you discover things you wouldn't find using them in trial/demo mode.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 04:10:30 (permalink)
From what I remember samplitutude did not have drag and drop from the browser into a track like Cakewalk and SO4. Also controller hardware associations with vst’s could not be saved and used in the next song. At the time those 2 issues were limitations for me and convinced me SO4 was a better choice. Perhaps Samplitude has upgraded those 2 features, but I am not sure.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 11:00:31 (permalink)
I didn't mention it, but I use Ozone8 for mastering, so the Project Page feature in S1P may not be as valuable to me.
 
I hope to spend some time playing around with both S1P and SX3 over the next few days and will get a clearer view of the right choice for me.
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 13:50:52 (permalink)
s1p appears to be crash-proof for me, at least versions 1-3 do, just about to grab the cheap upgrade to 4

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 16:15:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry2 2018/11/22 22:16:54
You can't go wrong with either Samplitude Pro X3 or Studio One Pro 4.1
  • I prefer Studio One's GUI.
  • I prefer the editing in Samplitude.  The Object Editor is extremely powerful.
Both have fantastic "mastering" and layout features.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 21:07:45 (permalink)
Go with Samplitude, you won't regret it, also get the bird line skins for samplitude, really cool stuff..
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/21 23:19:02 (permalink)
I have S1 3 Pro but have never taken to it. 
 
It has some nice features, but the UI and transport bar position make me tire of it quite quickly and I didn't find it to be as crashproof as some say.
 
I tried the samplitude demo last year and quite liked it tbh, but it felt like stepping back in time so I didn't buy it.
FWIW it has been on come kind of  "limited time" special price for at least a year so far. If x4 brings it up to date UI/menu wise I could see me being tempted by it.
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/22 00:03:08 (permalink)
After Cakewalk Inc's demise, I got Samplitude Pro X3 suite, Studio One 3 (now upgraded to v4), MixCraft and MixBus.
I also tried out Reaper, but chose not to buy it as by that time the BandLab announcement happened.
 
To be honest, I hardly use any of them as CbB covers 99% of what I need. 
 
However, what several people have said about each one being good DAW's, but each having their own strengths is true.
 
Given that they're all good at most DAW operations, I'll summarise my opinions on their main strengths over Cakewalk:
 
Samplitude Pro X3 Suite:  Good because it came with SoundForge Pro 11.
StudioOne 4: Great for the project/mastering side and better options for arranging during the writing stage.
MixCraft: Good if you're also working with video.
MixBus: Good for tracking (in an old-school sort of way) and great for mixing, but not much else.
Reaper: Highly customiseable.
 
So basically, with the possible exception of MixBus, I don't think you can go wrong with any of these... it's just really down to what "strength" you find most useful to you.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/22 16:11:38 (permalink)
I switched to Studio One when Cake went under. It is AWESOME! Love the Arranger and Chord tracks. Was easy for me to switch to and I would recommend it to anyone. Good luck with your quest. 
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/22 22:26:04 (permalink)
I still have them all.  My preference is still CbB, as I love it's workflow and GUI.
Samplitude is HUGELY powerful.  It may not "look" the best, but feature and 
editing wise it's a BEAST!!!  And you get ALL the good stuff in the Suite, 
including Sound Forge 11, and some others.  I bought the $199 deal to get
the free upgrade to Pro X4 Suite, as I'm hoping that Magix have "upped their
game" with the new release, and that it gets me SF 12 Pro in the deal.  It
already got me the upgrade to Spectral Layers 5, which was the same price
as buying the ENTIRE Suite (SWEET!) deal!

If they rework the GUI, and add ARA2 support, look out.  It's going to be a contender.
IMO, it's already THE most underrated DAW on the market by the community.
At $199 for the Suite, AND a FREE Upgrade to Pro X4 Suite?  It's a no brainer. 
YES, it's harder to learn, but, as has been stated, once you get there, the power
and editing is unmatched by other DAW's.

There are some decent YouTube Tutorials also such a Kraznet's
https://www.youtube.com/user/kraznet
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EKm427jpkc

Here's a list
https://www.youtube.com/r...itude+pro+x3+tutorials
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/23 19:20:14 (permalink)
After playing with all three DAWs (CbB, Studio One Pro 4, Samplitude X3), I think Studio One Pro is out. Everyone raves about the workflow, but it feels too different to CbB to want to invest the time in learning it. 
 
I created the same type of project in all three DAWs, and CbB just works for me. No doubt using it since CWPA came out has something to do with that.
 
Not sure if I'm going to pull the trigger on Samplitude or not. I will be focusing more on it to see if I can determine what makes the object editor special and if that adds value *for me*. I came from old school 2" analog tape, so I'm more of a "learn your part and play it right, with feeling!" kinda guy than one that wants to spend endless hours making a Bride of Frankenstein vocal or guitar track.
 
I guess my real concern (which is why I'm looking at a second/backup DAW) is what happens when I build a new studio PC and have to re-install SPLAT to get all the plug-ins/goodies to use with CbB. I hope it will still be downloadable and work. But that topic has been hashed to death elsewhere. Not sure if it was ever resolved (haven't been paying attention to lifetime upgrade SPLAT recently).
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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/24 10:37:17 (permalink)
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I guess my real concern (which is why I'm looking at a second/backup DAW) is what happens when I build a new studio PC and have to re-install SPLAT to get all the plug-ins/goodies to use with CbB. I hope it will still be downloadable and work. But that topic has been hashed to death elsewhere. Not sure if it was ever resolved (haven't been paying attention to lifetime upgrade SPLAT recently).

if you want be sure you can start your DAW on a new computer without Internet (or even with Internet, but in 5-10-15-20 years...), there are not many variants: Sonar X3 or REAPER.
I am not aware about any other alternatives to be absolutely sure.
 
A bit lower, but still relatively safe assumption is dongle authorization (f.e. Cubase).
 
Everything else, including "free" Tracktion and CbB, can stop working any time without a warning. And if you have no internet or the authorization service is offline, the game can be over.
 
On a positive side, you can download direct installers from CW and use them without CCC. Most bundled plug-ins do not required authorization.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/24 18:13:17 (permalink)
Samplitudes' Independence is probably the best all in one acoustic samplers / sample players. It is a must for a lot of my compositions. It's a very deep DAW, it would depend on your style of recording.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/30 15:48:51 (permalink)
I'm selling my copy of Samplitude X3 Suite (minus Melodyne Essential).
PM me if interested.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/11/30 23:52:59 (permalink)
 One of the biggest differences is the lack of 3rd party tutorials for Samplitude.

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Re: Second DAW: Studio 1 Pro 4 or Samplitude Pro X3/ X4 Suite? 2018/12/01 01:24:04 (permalink)
kitekrazy1
 One of the biggest differences is the lack of 3rd party tutorials for Samplitude.

Have you not heard of Kraznet and all his Samplitude tutorials?
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