prozone
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Selecting all midi notes in PRV
Hello, In X3e Studio when I select all midi notes in PRV it alwasy set select region to whole originally clip length although there is no more notes/CC (e.g they were deleted or edited). Is there any way to change this behaviour except manualy bounce to clip ?  Thanks
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:15:34
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im guessing there was notes hidden under a clip.
this happens to me once in a while. I DO often "bounce to clips". it stops this from happening.
were any of your clips groove clips, or all reg midi clips ?
not that it matters to much, im just curious.
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:22:55
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Apply Trimming should also do the trick and won't destructively apply other edits that you want to leave in place (e.g. muted notes) .
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prozone
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:28:16
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No hidden notes or groove clips.
Just created new midi track, record or draw some notes, then deleted few of them from start or from end. And then when you select all remaining notes it will set select region to whole original clip size. When you don't select all notes it work without any problem.
Its very annoying :(
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brundlefly
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:40:18
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I wager it would be equally or more annoying to as many or more users if deleting an event at the end of a clip caused the boundary to move away before you could insert a new one into the same clip.
Select by Lasso, and the selection range will encompass only the lassoed events.
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prozone
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:44:05
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By Lasso you mean selecting by "mouse cursor" ?
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 13:56:07
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prozone
By Lasso you mean selecting by "mouse cursor" ?
Right Mouse click and drag to create a "Lasso" around the notes. Same goes for Track View and clips but ANY part of a clip touched by the lasso will select the ENTIRE clip. Actually even in PRV if any part of a note is touched by the "Lasso" that note will be included in the lasso selection. Right Click + Drag is the standard default method to "Lasso" areas/items/etc in many programs and even in OS GUI areas. Cheers.
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prozone
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:00:48
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I was asking just to be sure if there isn't some another special lasso in Sonar :)
I was doing this. I even tried if there is no difference between SMART mode with right mouse click and SELECT mode with left mouse click. But it works same as CTRL + A. Still selecting empty clip area when selecting all notes.
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:09:17
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Okay. I was just being thorough. I think at this point a better question is what is it you are attempting to do and why is this behavior impeding said task? That way a solution/explanation that actually helps you get where you want is more likely.
Cheers.
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prozone
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:28:05
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Let's say I want to just record some short midi sequence, edit few changes and copy/paste it in same track.
But even if I just simple quantize it I can't copy/paste whole sequence properly, because what I copy are notes with that pre-quantize time space on beginning of clip so I can't paste it on specific place.
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:38:56
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Sorry, I should have checked to confirm that lasso in the PRV works as expected when all events are included; I see now it doesn't. That actually seems like a bug that it selects all the way to the clip boundaries if you lasso every event.
I guess the bottom line is you will need to Apply Trimming to the clip as suggested earlier.
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:40:03
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prozone
Let's say I want to just record some short midi sequence, edit few changes and copy/paste it in same track.
But even if I just simple quantize it I can't copy/paste whole sequence properly, because what I copy are notes with that pre-quantize time space on beginning of clip so I can't paste it on specific place.
Ah. I see. So you want the clip to be able to "Snap" to the Timeline after your edits (and I'm assuming you want the first note after your quantizing/editing to be the Snap point... like it should appear right at the 1 beat of the measure it is being pasted into). In that case applying trimming (as Brundle said) or manually snipping/slip editing the clips or bouncing or whatever just to get the clip trimmed seems like what you're gonna have to do (despite your desire to not have to). I agree that having clips shrink as data is removed is more annoying than having to trim clips. Maybe some of the smarter guys know a setting that will do what you want. Cheers.
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:42:35
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Perhaps a Range Select on the clip/inside the PRV will perform better than Lasso for this task?
Sorry I do not have open MIDI data on my screen in my current project to test this at the moment.
Cheers.
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prozone
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 14:48:58
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Thanks Beepster,
it seems that Range select in PRV is most usable way to do that. Still hope that select bug will be fixed someday :)
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Re: Selecting all midi notes in PRV
2016/08/10 15:03:20
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Cool. Personally I find some of the Selection quirks and complexities in Sonar to be one of the more confounding parts of the fundamental workflows. I'm sure there is some logic behind the way all these things work the way they do but they are decades in the making and some of that logic has been lost/forgotten so updates and consolidation are required.
I've noticed attempts at such improvements over the past few years to streamline things though so onwards and upwards, aye?
Cheers.
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