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2017/03/16 17:02:43 (permalink)

Selecting the best midi drum loops

I'm no drummer, but I know what I like when I hear it. I'm looking into the idea of combining pop/rock/world drum loops for original compositions.
 
A few of my observations thus far have been less than positive. A software drum program will have an excellent drum engine, in fact, most of them do. Some of them have a decent starting pack of midi loops for the basic rocker.Most of them leave a lot to be desired though, at least for me.
 
There are a few 3rd party companies that sell drum loops as midi to put into your tracks. The problem here seems to be they need to be mapped to your kit. I might load a loop and it plays something different on my drum kit.
 
The obvious choice is AD2 since it's what comes with Sonar Platinum. I sampled some of those packs last evening. I did come across one or two packs I thought would be helpful.It doesn't seem like an all compassing selection though for what I want to do. I don't really want a lot of odd irregular stuff, just good well played loops that fit what I'm going for.
 
I'm wondering if there are other options. maybe I could buy some loops from somewhere else and map them to AD2. I'm not sure what's involved in doing that or if it can be done well. I have BFD2 and I looked at the upgrade. To me though. it all looks like the same game. Buy our drum program  to get what you really want, then buy all of our loops too, only loops aren't a one size fits all. Pretty much the contrary here.
 
I already have bread and butter loops in AD2. I'm looking for some kind of a universal way to use anything I might find and like in AD2 first, then maybe I would buy another program if the loops selection was hands down killer.
 
Open to suggestions or ideas. If you think you've found something better will you please explain why you believe it's better. What has worked for you?

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 17:15:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 13:10:03
This might be what you're looking for Tim: http://www.toontrack.com/product/ezplayer-pro/
 

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 18:17:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 13:10:06
Hey Tim,
 
I always program my own and find it a pretty satisfying part of what I do, but these are pretty good:
 
https://www.platinumsamples.com/index.php
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 19:02:22 (permalink)
Mesh has the right idea. Get EZ Player Pro and you won't even havt say the words drum map again. I can't get a link to you right now but check out EZ Player Pro video by Sub ID or Brad Bowman on youtube. Watch the layering and poltrhythym parts. Should be able to get it for around $30.00 or so. Work great with Addictive Drums and BFD. Any midi files work too.

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 19:44:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 13:13:07
Like these?
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 21:30:12 (permalink)
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 21:50:53 (permalink)
I never checked into EZ anything, since I'd already bought BFD2, Groove Agent2 (now 4), 3 or 4 Platinum Samples Kits for SD3 and a bunch for AD2. I will watch them just to see if it would aid me in my track arranging process. So,
Thanks, Mesh and BassDaddy!
 
Where is it $30? I'm seeing $49 but I've just started looking.....
 
@ Dan     Which ones do you have? Use often?
Thanks
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/16 23:20:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 13:10:15
Another option is GrooveMonkee:  groovemonkee.com
 
There MIDI drum loops are available in many formats, include AD2.  If you buy a package from them you can get all the formats that you need.  I use their loops with EZPlayer Pro.
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 12:57:57 (permalink)
Wow! Thanks guys . I want to give you all a great big hug ! ...OK no hugs, how about a big handshake and a pat on the back? Come on over. I'll buy the drinks.
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 13:22:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 18:49:08
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Wow! Thanks guys . I want to give you all a great big hug ! ...OK no hugs, how about a big handshake and a pat on the back? Come on over. I'll buy the drinks.
 
I'm looking into this. COOL!
 
THANKS!


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@Michael: Sweetwater has it for $39.....not sure if it might be cheaper elsewhere.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 13:42:11 (permalink)
Thanks Mesh. I saw it for $39 last night at B&H, but I 'll shop a tad just to check for even lower.
I watched a few of the video tuts and think I'll have to try this out.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 13:42:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/03/17 14:18:06
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I'm wondering if there are other options. maybe I could buy some loops from somewhere else and map them to AD2.




Actually it's sometimes easier to map the AD2 drums to the midi file as most of them are in the GM format.  Just look in AD2 and there is a  mapping function that allows you to choose several formats including GM.
 
BTW, LoopLoft has a great selection of Midi drum loops that work great with AD2 - just map AD2 to GM and you are set!    They are having a sale this week and you can get the Midi bundle (with every one of their Midi drum loops) for $81.   And if you have ever shopped at LoopLoft you probably have a coupon that can give you even further discounts.    This is a great collection and the nice thing about Midi drums is you have great control over the track - much easier to manipulate than a WAV file.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 13:58:53 (permalink)
AD is my go-to.
If I can't find the exact loop that I want, i'll get something close and shift the kick/snare hits to where I want them.
 
I also have Superior Drummer, which also has a lot of loops.  
And I made drum maps to translate SD and AD loops into each program so they can be interchangeable.
 
Between those two companies, their kit sounds and loops, I don't think I'll ever need anything else.

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 13:59:36 (permalink)
I have some LoopLoft midi stuff and Platinum Samples, but since I have BFD2, ECO, SD3 with 4 extra kits from PS, and Groove Agent 2 & 4 (on different PCs), the idea of getting to mix and match things really appeals to me. 
I have a bunch of LoopMasters, Loops for Acid, Discrete Drums etc, etc, lurking around, too!
   So, getting to access, organize and coordinate them "all" (how many ever will work with EZPPro), sounds very compelling.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 15:38:20 (permalink)
You might also want to try a solution that generates MIDI.  Rayzoon's Jamstix is the best known, there is also one from Melda.
 
In the case of Jamstix, you can either record the generated MIDI patterns to a track or you can direct the MIDI output to another virtual instrument such as Addictive Drums, BFD, EZ Drummer, Kontakt, or even Session Drummer.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 15:57:28 (permalink)
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You might also want to try a solution that generates MIDI.  Rayzoon's Jamstix is the best known, there is also one from Melda.
 
In the case of Jamstix, you can either record the generated MIDI patterns to a track or you can direct the MIDI output to another virtual instrument such as Addictive Drums, BFD, EZ Drummer, Kontakt, or even Session Drummer.


I forgot about Jamstix (which I also have).......although it seems very useful and has a LOT of capabilities, I just never could wrap my head around it. He does have some tutorials as well.

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 16:07:40 (permalink)
Thanks for the reminder about Jamstix. I'd checked into it a little and then forgot all about it. I'll check again....
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 18:25:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/03/17 19:03:38
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Wow! Thanks guys . I want to give you all a great big hug ! ...OK no hugs, how about a big handshake and a pat on the back? Come on over. I'll buy the drinks.
 
I'm looking into this. COOL!
 
THANKS!


Whooaaaaahh there big boy..........EZ with the huggy stuff!!
 
 
@Michael: Sweetwater has it for $39.....not sure if it might be cheaper elsewhere.
 
 
 
 


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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 18:33:53 (permalink)
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Wow! Thanks guys . I want to give you all a great big hug ! ...OK no hugs, how about a big handshake and a pat on the back? Come on over. I'll buy the drinks.
 
I'm looking into this. COOL!
 
THANKS!


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@Michael: Sweetwater has it for $39.....not sure if it might be cheaper elsewhere.
 
 
 
 


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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 18:45:39 (permalink)
I'll keep that in mind! LOL
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 19:21:56 (permalink)
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 20:55:48 (permalink)
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Wow! Thanks guys . I want to give you all a great big hug ! ...OK no hugs, how about a big handshake and a pat on the back? Come on over. I'll buy the drinks.
 
I'm looking into this. COOL!
 
THANKS!


Whooaaaaahh there big boy..........EZ with the huggy stuff!!
 
 
@Michael: Sweetwater has it for $39.....not sure if it might be cheaper elsewhere.
 
 
 
 


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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 21:12:28 (permalink)
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 21:54:09 (permalink)
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Thanks Mesh. I saw it for $39 last night at B&H, but I 'll shop a tad just to check for even lower.
I watched a few of the video tuts and think I'll have to try this out.
Michael



I might suggest you take that $39 and spend the extra and, if you already have any of the EZ
Drummer products get the Superior Drummer Crossgrade on sale right now for $75 paying in
GBP with code M4RN3WS at Time+Space....you'll be happy you did, and it includes EZPlayer Pro

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/17 21:59:26 (permalink)
Full Version is $180 and you get a FREE SDX Expansion ($150 normally)

Even on sale the SDX's are $75...

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/18 00:06:06 (permalink)
Thanks Larry but I don't have any ToonTrack stuff, nor do I have $180 at the moment.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/18 01:11:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/03/18 13:35:16
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You might also want to try a solution that generates MIDI.




I recently picked up Liquid Rhythm, which has some unique features, and can generate MIDI patterns for you.
https://www.wavedna.com/liquid-rhythm/
 
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/19 16:00:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/03/19 22:37:54

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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/19 22:50:28 (permalink)
I've never bought a "used" plug from anyone, let alone KVR. Hmmm, maybe I'll give that a try.
Thanks BassDaddy.
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Re: Selecting the best midi drum loops 2017/03/20 16:23:42 (permalink)
I picked up EZ player pro over the weekend and had some fun with it. When you order EZ player pro Toontrack gives you another program EZ solo or something like that. I believe it's a stripped down drum engine? I haven't looked that far into it yet. It was late and I didn't get much time with it.
 
The multiple play buttons soon start to make sense. Loop play, track play, global play. I patched it into BFD2 and it worked very well with the included sample loops. What I really want to do is link a bunch of other loops into the EZ player library. Looks as if I'll need to make paths to the other programs which means finding individual folders in each program. If I take every loop in all my Native Instruments kits, BFD kits and AD2 I should have a nice collection all in one place.
Thanks for the advice on AD2 GM settings as well. I could see this being an alternate solution.
 
EZ Player seems like it could be a real help in basic midi arranging. Not just drums either.

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