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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/04 09:08:02
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Hi There Larry , I've been using many of the "lower end priced " Magix products for years … thanks a lot for reigniting the Software Acquisition GAS pal  that one there happens to be what i consider The Peak of The Summit of a Software Based Mount Everest  I wish …I wish ..I wish …I had the money ..to get Sequoia 13 or any licensed to me version of Sequoia .. cclarry , may you get whats coming to you for posting this  hey wait….on second thought ….what the heck….all is forgiven .. have a good one  Kenny
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/04 14:30:59
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kennywtelejazz
Hi There Larry ,
I've been using many of the "lower end priced " Magix products for years …
thanks a lot for reigniting the Software Acquisition GAS pal that one there happens to be what i consider The Peak of The Summit of a Software Based Mount Everest
I wish …I wish ..I wish …I had the money ..to get Sequoia 13 or any licensed to me version of Sequoia ..
cclarry , may you get whats coming to you for posting this
hey wait….on second thought ….what the heck….all is forgiven ..
have a good one
Kenny
Kenny, I use Samplitude Pro X quite often...it's one amazing piece of software....and VASTLY underated. It loads almost instantly, comes with a "restoration suite", and the stock plugins and instruments are most worthy. So I can imagine Sequoia, for high end Video Production work, would also be quite worthy....
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 00:27:07
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but i really don't see what it can do sonar don't ? maybe the metering and restoartion suite but reallly the core of the app is quite similar with a + to sonar imho when it comes to production ...
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 12:37:56
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IMO, The "core features" (recording/editing/mixing) of just about every multi-track DAW application are quite similar.
The GUIs are also pretty similar...
Sequoia has additional features that are suited to dialog editing/replacement... video post-pro... etc.
It's a specialized version of Samplitude.
If you need those features on a regular basis, it's worth the cost.
If not, there's no reason to spend the extra money...
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 13:00:37
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 13:04:03
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well i don't know the details , but all the higlights (dithering quality powr ect ...that we have since decades ect ..) is some i'm really not conviced ..... Pyramix has stuff that conviced me back then because it does stuff that few or no daw does , ,just the way it handles core (cpu) is a must ....( check this out : http://www.merging.com/products/pyramix/masscore ) But magix stuff , while it 's on my top 5 best daws for sure , are nothing more nothing less ....than sonar , studio one ect ..
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 13:17:29
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I would think, that as an instructor at a learning institution, you would delve a little deeper into your subject before making statements that reveal such a cursory understanding.
If you take a moment and consider the capabilities of Sequoia you may figure out that you are comparing Notepad to Quark... so to speak.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 14:02:49
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But magix stuff , while it 's on my top 5 best daws for sure , are nothing more nothing less ....than sonar , studio one ect ..
The Object based editing (Object = Clip in Sonar) in Samplitude/Sequoia is extremely powerful. This is something no other DAW offers (Reaper's Item Editor is similar but not as full featured). Lots of realtime/non-destructive control over each Object/Clip... Fades including advanced tapers, gain, phase, swap L/R channels, EFX (including sends), etc. Using the Object Editor, you've got advanced "snap-shot" style automation. Keep in mind that Samplitude has had these features for 10+ years. Back when Samplitude Studio 4 first arrived, it was ground-breaking (the amount of realtime control).
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 14:08:25
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I would like to see a great news room editor run the Edit and Export while Recording feature in real life, and watch a project go live while it was still being produced.
That would be something to see.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 14:13:07
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Zo
But magix stuff , while it 's on my top 5 best daws for sure , are nothing more nothing less ....than sonar , studio one ect ..
The Object based editing (Object = Clip in Sonar) in Samplitude/Sequoia is extremely powerful.
This is something no other DAW offers (Reaper's Item Editor is similar but not as full featured).
Lots of realtime/non-destructive control over each Object/Clip...
Fades including advanced tapers, gain, phase, swap L/R channels, EFX (including sends), etc.
Using the Object Editor, you've got advanced "snap-shot" style automation.
Keep in mind that Samplitude has had these features for 10+ years.
Back when Samplitude Studio 4 first arrived, it was ground-breaking (the amount of realtime control).
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 14:28:57
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I would like to see a great news room editor run the Edit and Export while Recording feature in real life, and watch a project go live while it was still being produced.
That would be something to see.
Video Toaster (great product with awful name) could function in that way and it was glorius during live shows. I could grab things that were being recorded as they were going out live, edit parts and shoot output of editor as a channel to go out live.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 15:09:23
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I never ran one of those set ups but I have worked sound on productions where the switcher was an Amiga with a Toaster package. :-)
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 15:33:57
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When they first ported it to windows I was skeptical but it worked very well. It ould take inputs ranging from professial to plugging in a laptop. It even had an integrated version of lightwave that could be routed into recorded or live output. Terribly underrated product that is survived to an extant by the tricaster systems.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/05 18:40:57
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One of the most powerful features in Samplitude is "Spectral Editing"
at the Track level...and it works BRILLIANTLY! Don't have to buy RX or
anything else..it's built right into the DAW. Just thought I'd mention that...
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/06 09:57:07
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If I'm not mistaken, the restoration suite is now a separate purchase. When I upgraded from Samplitude v9 to ProX, a lot of people complained about its absence and they gave it to us, but I don't think it's included it with new purchases.
When Adobe bought CoolEdit and didn't offer a decent upgrade path, I picked up Magix Music Studio for about $50 to use as an audio editor. Music Studio (NOT Music Maker) has a subset of Samplitude's functions but appears to use the same audio engine. I was very impressed by some of its features and ended up buying Sam 9 and now have Pro X Suite. The first thing that impressed me was that loading a large wav file was so fast that I thought something was wrong. Both Cake and Cooledit took much much longer. Another thing is that it can display frequencies right in the wav display (comparisonics). For example, when I see yellow in a bass line, it usually means fret buzz and I can quickly zoom in on it and soften it with the spectral editor, without having to listen to the whole thing. Pretty handy.
Sequoia, OTOH, seems to be geared towards pro engineers who perform a lot of repetitive tasks every day and has time savers geared specifically for them.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/06 12:32:07
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Samplitude Pro X is very powerful. That's where I do my premasters. Samp has a sweet looking Mixer view.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/06 18:05:53
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I do like the track level Spectral Editing in Samplitude Pro X ... if you don't have Samplitude Pro X , and you want to give Spectral Editing a try . Spectral Editing is also available in Magix Audio Cleaning Lab in both the regular and premium edition ... it's been that way for years Kenny
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/06 19:22:32
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I think we're confusing three different things, Kenny: Track Level Spectral Editing, the Cleaning and Restoration Suite, and Audio Cleaning Lab. Track Level Spectral Editing is included with Samp and shows up in the track view and is new in Pro X. The C&R Suite used to be included with Samp but, since the Pro X release, is now a separate add-on. It has a large Spectral Editor plus other noise removal functions like a DeCrackler, Dehisser, etc. Never owned Audio Cleaning Lab but it's a separate product and I don't see any spectral editing functions mentioned on its web page. You sure it's got that?
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/06 21:47:25
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mike_mccue
I would think, that as an instructor at a learning institution, you would delve a little deeper into your subject before making statements that reveal such a cursory understanding.
If you take a moment and consider the capabilities of Sequoia you may figure out that you are comparing Notepad to Quark... so to speak.
I did , we used to Master on those back then decades ago (exactly for the object oreinted features ) and it was a beast .... i just don't like to write book on the forum lol ;) Still some stuff a damm great in it , i find it hard to justify the price tag versus it's young brotha Samplitude or sonar unless you go deep in post prod and mastering or restoration ... Again i do find the thing , a to notch daw features and engine wise ...
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 00:02:50
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I think we're confusing three different things, Kenny: Track Level Spectral Editing, the Cleaning and Restoration Suite, and Audio Cleaning Lab. Track Level Spectral Editing is included with Samp and shows up in the track view and is new in Pro X. The C&R Suite used to be included with Samp but, since the Pro X release, is now a separate add-on. It has a large Spectral Editor plus other noise removal functions like a DeCrackler, Dehisser, etc. Never owned Audio Cleaning Lab but it's a separate product and I don't see any spectral editing functions mentioned on its web page. You sure it's got that?
Hello dstrenz , I'm honestly trying to understand what you are talking about now I'm getting confused .. At some point Magix changed their price structure on Samplitude …the full featured program was always in the ball park of a grand.. it seems now they have 2 versions of Samp.. that may explain why some of the features are available as add ons in the $500 dollar version in my previous post I mentioned if you don't have Samplitude Pro X , and you want to give Spectral Editing a try . Spectral Editing is also available in Magix Audio Cleaning Lab in both the regular and premium edition ... it's been that way for years btw …...I've had ACL... since 2006 …I love the program and I have 3 different versions . Audio Cleaning Lab has an active Spectral Editing mode where you can use the mouse to edit .. it's been that way as long as I've ever used it . so here's what I did …..I took some screen shots off my personal computer just a little while ago ..hope this helps     BTW…..did you happen to notice the Cleaning and Restoration plugs you mentioned ? I included them in my pics ... nice rapping with you Kenny
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 00:27:10
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Sequoia has a few features only extremely expensive editors sport. First and foremost is 4 point editing, which makes working with numerous edits of complex acoustic music recordings very quick and easy. Only Sadie, Pyramix, and Sonoma also share this feature.
It also comes standard with many features that Sadie and Pyramix only offer as expensive Add-on packages. DDP masters full PQ support, DVD audio, advanced crossfades, and extensive video support for post production. As was mentioned before, the object editing features, shared with Sam Pro X are the best in the business.
Sequoia's roots are from the original in-house editor of Deutsche-Grammophon. So it is considered the standard for high end classical recordings.
Is it worth $3000? Not if you don't absolutely need all that stuff. If you do, you could also save a bundle by using Sonar and a few extra programs like Wavelab for publishing and DDP export. And having used both, Izotope RX beats the restoration plugins by Magix by a wide margin.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 00:29:29
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Spectral Editing is also available in Magix Audio Cleaning Lab in both the regular and premium edition ...
it's been that way for years
Spectral editing is an add-on purchase in ProX. The display is there, but you can't do a darn thing with it.
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 01:10:33
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dstrenz
Sequoia, OTOH, seems to be geared towards pro engineers who perform a lot of repetitive tasks every day and has time savers geared specifically for them.
My brother was a pro engineer who worked in Film and Television in both NYC and LA … when I moved out West and stayed with him , he turned me onto Sequoia 4 …I fell in love w it back then . i couldn't crack the learning curve , it was simply way too deep for me … when I finally got my own computer . my brother turned me on to SONAR (thats what he used for himself at home ) on his recomendation i went with Home Studio 2 as my first computer based DAW ... I've been with SONAR ever since ….. Kenny
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 02:35:10
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rumleymusic
Spectral Editing is also available in Magix Audio Cleaning Lab in both the regular and premium edition ...
it's been that way for years
Spectral editing is an add-on purchase in ProX. The display is there, but you can't do a darn thing with it.
I have Pro X and it's built in...I use it all the time....there is no add-on.... and you can do all you want to with it...at the track level...
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 08:27:08
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Yeah, but does it have Matrix view?
I don't think it even has to work to count. ;-)
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 08:36:07
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mike_mccue
Yeah, but does it have Matrix view?
I don't think it even has to work to count. ;-)
I think Sequoia took the Blue pill....
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 09:01:09
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Re: Sequoia 13 Ships
2014/09/07 09:08:21
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With the spectral editing can you edit any blob within the spectrum or only a segment of the timeline?
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