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2013/05/03 11:04:24 (permalink)

Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums

Hi everyone,

I've never done this before so I'm hoping I can find some good advice.

When I play my V-Drums (TD-4 brain) I get a very natural response from the Roland module's built-in sounds.  I can play ghost-notes, rolls, etc. I was under the impression that all this midi information would be sent out of the module and recorded into Sonar X2 exactly as I played it.  And I have the feeling it is, but the problem is that when I play back the recorded track through Session Drummer 3, it "sounds" nothing like what I hear through the Roland module.  I'm talking specifically feel-wise, not sound quality.  The Session Drummer software doesn't seem to be able to reproduce the nuances of my playing anywhere near as well as the Roland module.  The sounds in Session Drummer are fine.  I can tweak them and am not unhappy with the quality, it's the reproduction of my performance that I'm not happy with.  Is there a drum mapping tweak that I need to perform?  Are there mapping presets for Session Drummer that are more suitable for people who are actually performing the drum part with electronic drums as opposed to programming the drum tracks?  Please help.  I'm very new at this (MIDI drums).  Thanks in advance!

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 12:25:32 (permalink)
Sounds like you need to set your "Input Quantize" to a lower value.  Look for it in the track inspector for the track.  Try setting to a 64th note or just turn Input Quantize off.  See if that fixes your issue.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 12:48:10 (permalink)
Can't find input quantize.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 13:24:50 (permalink)
Highlight the MIDI track for your drums
Make sure Track Inspector is showing (Hit "I" to show if hidden)
Hit the "ProCh" tab
Input Quantize is half-way down in the right pane.


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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 13:47:13 (permalink)
just turn snap off.
 
while I totally agree with the above solution, input quantize is not on by default snap is.
 
though ive been wrong before.  :)

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 17:50:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I have recorded Roland drums both midi and audio. I have not managed to get similar feel from the midi as the audio is. This is not the timing but has something to do with how midi notes are mapped to the sounds in the EZ-drummer or Session drummer plugin.   The built in hardware Roland synth is better fine tuned to the drums somehow.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 17:56:32 (permalink)
Could it be the number of samples used in the kit? Session Drummer typically has less that 20 samples per drum. Larger Drum synths like BSD and Superior Drummer have many more.
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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 18:30:05 (permalink)
Yep.

BFD kit pieces sometime have as many as 127 sample/velocity levels

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 18:37:37 (permalink)
I'm sorry but you were are hoping for is not possible in Session Drummer. 

Typically, I use either Superior Drummer or Steven Slate drums to achieve what you are asking.  

I think Session drummer is not sophisticated enough to cope with a real drummers playing.  Sadly the software packages I mentioned are not cheap solutions. 

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 19:57:18 (permalink)
Bristol_Jonesey


Yep.

BFD kit pieces sometime have as many as 127 sample/velocity levels

Yeah, if you want more than 20-25 sample layers, it'll cost you.  Even the lite version by the big players have reduced sample layers.  Seems that is a lot of what you are paying for with Superior Drummer, BFD2, and Steven Slate Drums.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 20:09:18 (permalink)
Actually, I downloaded the free demo version of Addictive Drums and the response is AMAZING!!!!!! Now I have to figure out how to get rid of MIDI latency which is a different issue altogether and is happening with both Session Drummer and Addictive Drums.  Thanks all for your help.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 20:11:11 (permalink)
PS. Both Input Quantize and Snap were off.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/03 22:21:34 (permalink)
There was some discussion a while ago regarding velocity response on the Session Drummer 3 - some built-in libraries seem not to scale well with velocities.

Platinum Samples library for Session Drummer 3 have more layers :

Have a listen to the test here

http://youtu.be/o4OsCLqt2II

Download the current Content Club Rock Legends Kit 3 and see how it goes.

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/04 01:54:13 (permalink)

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/04 02:09:38 (permalink)
Yes if you already own BFD1. 

That seems to be an upgrade price. I do however recommend BFD2. Even at its full price. 

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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/04 02:49:35 (permalink)
I just purchased Addictive Drums today on sale at Musician's Friend for $134 and it sounds and feels amazing!  It was on sale for $149 plus there was a 10% coupon. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/xln-audio-addictive-drums-software-download

Copy and enter this coupon code at checkout - 10MF149
Save 10% off a single item of $149 or more!

Plus on the XLN Audio website they have Add-On packs on sale.  Buy one get one free.  It's a great time to buy. http://www.xlnaudio.com/bogoadpak


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Re:Session Drummer 3 sensitivity and feel not matching the V-Drums 2013/05/04 03:08:04 (permalink)
John


Yes if you already own BFD1. 

That seems to be an upgrade price. I do however recommend BFD2. Even at its full price. 

Sorry, ~I thought that was for the full package.


This is however:


http://www.soundsliveshop.com/p/FXpansion_BFD2_Virtual_Drum_Software_Instrument/FXP-BFDII?CAWELAID=1830894566&catargetid=1821667982&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CIXnq_Hx-7YCFS7KtAodthMAjA

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