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Setting Bits Depth in X3
I'm trying to determine if I really have 24bit recording. I'm using a Roland Studio Capture (my backup is an Octa-Capture it shows the same thing). In the Preferences, audio driver settings it shows 24 bit depth (grayed out) On the Control Bar, below the digital counter, it shows 44.1 and below that 16, which I assume is 16 bits. ???
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 10:03:26
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There are two places you need to set the bit depth. Audio Driver settings under Audio and then under Audio Data under File, Record Bit Depth and and Render Bit Depth.
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DeeringAmps
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 10:38:39
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Does anyone else find that bass ackwards? We've discussed it before. I know; feature request!
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:12:08
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What are you talking about Tom?
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fireberd
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:12:21
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There are two places you need to set the bit depth. Audio Driver settings under Audio and then under Audio Data under File, Record Bit Depth and and Render Bit Depth. I have the bit depth set under Audio Driver settings. But where do I find Audio Data? If I click File, I only get the usual Windows save, save as, etc. I don't see the others?
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:16:37
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:19:50
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This proves that a picture is worth a thousand words!
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:27:13
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More than a thousand words. THANKS!!!! Got it set. Merry Christmas to all.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 11:46:17
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SONAR will adapt to the audio interface and/or Windows settings. If the drivers do not allow SONAR to adjust them (and take control of them), SONAR reflects what it is given to work with. Not all drivers are written to the same level of functionality unfortunately.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 12:15:22
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The reason for two separate settings is one relates to the interface driver, and deals with the world outside SONAR. The file preferences deal with the world inside SONAR. I think there are two conflicting philosophies about how preferences should be grouped. One groups according to category, one according to function. For example in this case the categories would be "Interface Properties" and "File Properties." The function would be "Bit Depth." I don't think one is necessarily right or wrong because both have flaws. If grouped as Bit Depth, then you might get frustrated looking under audio interface drivers and expecting to see bit depth in there somewhere. If grouped as categories, you run into the problem described here where related functions end up in different places. This isn't to say preferences could use some kind of overhaul, but how to overhaul in a way that makes sense to most users is difficult. For example, I'd like to have two main sections - set and forget stuff, and stuff that I change often. But of course, what I change often might not be what someone else changes often. Customizable preference menus would be pretty cool, but that opens up another can of worms for support and dealing with questions like the one asked by the OP...first we'd have to identify how he had his preferences set up, so we could tell him where to look.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 12:43:27
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I like to think of it as one is for the interface as Craig points out and the other is for what Sonar does with it. Because Sonar can have just about any bit depth it makes sense that the two are separate. No interface supports 32 bits let alone 64 bits. Plus it helps if one has been doing this a long time.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 15:26:41
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One mans meat so to speak. There are in fact 3 separate pages Preference>File>Audio Data (thank you Scook) Then Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings  and then Preferences>File>Folder Locations "Locations" and "Audio Data" contradict each other. If you select "Use Per-Project Audio Folders" (and who doesn't?), there is no need for the "Global Audio Folder". Do I have a better system? NO Would my system work (assuming I had such a system) for everybody? Probably NOT BUT, Fireberd is NOT a casual user, he is NOT a new user. He's a long time Sonar veteran, like the rest of us contributing this conversation; and he was confused (I've been there and done that). That was my reason for the Bass Akwards comment (perhaps it wasn't eloquent). The bear dances, maybe its not the Bolshoi, but he does indeed dance. And I will defer to Craig, we can't make everybody "happy". But I do wish it was all on one page. T
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 15:34:13
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IIRC, the global audio folder is still used when per-project audio folders are specified. It is used when no project name is specified and as a temporary directory for some operations. In the past, having the global audio folder on a disk or partition other than where project audio is stored has caused performance issues.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/24 15:56:38
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I hope I wans't misunderstood about being separate. What I was referring to is that they need to be separately configurable whether on the same page or different ones. By knowing the purpose one knows that there is more to it than just setting the device driver. Yes this does catch people but once the reason is clear it wont catch one anymore. Looking at it that way and understanding that Sonar is a high quality DAW its not unreasonable to fully understand this.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 00:58:40
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On my system, exported audio goes to some kind of common audio folder (might be the global one - I guess that's what it is, certainly doesn't put it in the per-project audio-folder like I would rather have it do). Bob Bone
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 01:05:39
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The export dialog does not use the global audio folder setting. It uses some other windows default. It would be nice to be able to specify a default folder for the export dialog. The easiest way to put an export in the per-project audio folder is bounce the project to a track in the project.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 01:10:44
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DeeringAmps Preferences>File>Folder Locations

Its amazing you save your Sonar Projects on 'floppy disks'
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DeeringAmps
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 09:21:14
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When you have a StudioCat you put your audio anywhere you like! It's like just short of telepathy. It is a little bit of a pain though constantly changing the discs; especially at 192k 64bit ;-) That or Win7 can assign A&B to a hard disc. I believe in "folders" you specify where Sonar will default for import/export of audio. Thank you for making my point, even experienced users need a little 'pointer', no pun intended :-) T
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 10:30:50
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Yeah, I was confusing the export dialog with other file picker dialogs. The export/import default is the Wave Files folder location.
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Re: Setting Bits Depth in X3
2014/12/25 12:08:35
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Anderton Customizable preference menus would be pretty cool, but that opens up another can of worms for support and dealing with questions like the one asked by the OP...first we'd have to identify how he had his preferences set up, so we could tell him where to look. Hi Mr. Anderton (my show of respect for you, Sir.), I personally don't see a real need or desire for customizing to this degree. However, there are a couple of things to add in order for users to get proper/effective support when customized preferences are enacted: first, the ability to save the user configured preferences setup; second, a "return to default" button so when the user contacts support, they will both be on the same page. Now the real problem I see in the customizable preferences is when a novice user rearranges the preferences without being familiar enough with SONAR in the first place. As when a new user fails to read the manual, for instance, then tries working with SONAR only to get lost, confused or frustrated. And that is where most of these issues start and can end (yeah, a little sarcasm there). Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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