AnsweredShortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes")

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2014/10/07 13:45:46 (permalink)

Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes")

Hello @Sonarians,
Is there anyone who has a Script to toggle back and forth to Notes View Editing / Clip view.

This is the way I'm used to do it in Acid Pro 6: I assigned a shortcut "G" to it :


And if you know a way to show/hide the Volume Stems of each notes, that would be marvelous...
Here I'm showing / hiding Volume stems of notes hitting the "F" shortcut :

(PS : I've doubled posted it from a previous thread, for visibility reasons)

Thank you again !
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 16:35:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fadengo 2014/10/12 00:00:26
Shift+right click in the track itself (not the track header) to switch between the two last edit filter states. If they were clips and notes, you'll toggle between clips and notes.
 
 

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 16:53:24 (permalink)
Thank you Anderton,

This looks easy indeed. I wish I could've keymapped this SHIFT+R.Clic but I guess I'll have to get used to it ;).
By the way Anderton, do you know how I can change the volume of each notes in the In-Line midi editor ?
Just like the 2nd video I've posted showing Acid Pro's way to modify volume thanks to volume stems.

Thanks again !
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 17:57:33 (permalink)
Okay Anderton,

I tried to work with the SHIFT+Right Click for a couple hours and my workflow was still very slow unfortunately.
Do you know someone I can ask to script it for me in this forum ?
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 18:06:34 (permalink)
You can create macros with AutoHotKey. It's a free program.

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 18:08:35 (permalink)
Thanks Anderton,
I've used AutoHotKey before so I'll give it a try.

Do you know where I can tell AutoHotkey to trigger this Notes Show/Hide event of Sonar?
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 18:15:23 (permalink)
Are you aware that you can toggle between track view and a full MIDI piano roll view by using the Multidock, docking the piano roll view in there, and pressing the keyboard shortcut D? So, one keyboard shortcut wouldn't just switch between clips and notes, but switch between a view that's optimized for clips and one that's optimized for MIDI editing (and which has individual strips for velocity, controllers, etc.). In the strip, you can adjust velocities for individual notes, drag to edit velocities for multiple notes, use a line tool to draw linear velocity changes, change the resolution, change the velocity of only selected notes (very handy with chords, where lots of notes hit at the same time), and more. 
 
Acid always was a cool program, I've logged many hours with it   It was one of my two main programs before Sonar appeared. However I think if you try too hard to replicate your Acid workflow within Sonar, you may miss much of what Sonar has to offer.
 

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 18:20:26 (permalink)
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Thanks Anderton,
I've used AutoHotKey before so I'll give it a try.

Do you know where I can tell AutoHotkey to trigger this Notes Show/Hide event of Sonar?



Sorry, I'm the wrong guy to ask about inline editing, I almost always use the piano roll in Multidock.

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 18:23:56 (permalink)
Anderton
 
Sorry, I'm the wrong guy to ask about inline editing, I almost always use the piano roll in Multidock.


sounds familiar http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3100650
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 19:16:48 (permalink)
@Anderton > "you may miss much of what Sonar has to offer."
Oh don't take me wrong I'm blown away by Sonar X3's workflow (and UI design). 
Sonar X3 is definitely the only alternative I see myself working with so far, here's the whole story behind all my posts:

Since Acid Pro was discountinued in 2009, I've been looking for a refugee DAW.
1. I bought Reaper but its UI is simply too difficult for me to work with (but I bet it's great for Pro Toolers)
2. I bought Cubase but it didn't have the Smart Grid (but you can control the volume of the notes right inside the In-Place midi editing track! I wish Sonar could do that)
2. I tried Studio One but no In-Place midi editing and no Smart Grid
4. I bought Logic Pro X and its UI is fantastic, but no In-Place Midi Editing and no Smart Grid

@Scook
I created a new Thread for it not to mess around with subjects.


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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 19:36:38 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Fadengo 2014/10/11 23:59:38
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2. I bought Cubase but it didn't have the Smart Grid (but you can control the volume of the notes right inside the In-Place midi editing track! I wish Sonar could do that)



Actually you can, but you need to use the Edit tool. Fortunately each tool has a dedicated Function key, you can call it up with F8. Position the cursor over the note until you see what looks like a pencil with some velocity lines, then click and drag up or down to adjust velocity. The velocity line changes, and so does the note's color, which is helpful.

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 19:39:47 (permalink)
Oh, and you CAN assign show/hide velocity to a keyboard shortcut. Look under the track view shortcuts, scroll down to MIDI | Show Velocity, and choose your key to assign to it.
 

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 22:43:50 (permalink)
Anderton,

Alright I asigned F to Show/Hide Velocity! Thank you.

But with the Edit tool, it always take me 15-20 seconds to find out the little "pencil with velocity lines"... It's quite tricky isn't it? Ow too bad they didn't put little handlers (stems)...

 
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 23:17:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fadengo 2014/10/11 23:59:47
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But with the Edit tool, it always take me 15-20 seconds to find out the little "pencil with velocity lines"... It's quite tricky isn't it? Ow too bad they didn't put little handlers (stems)...



 
If you zoom in on the notes to the same resolution/height as your video, I think you'll find it much easier. And don't forget that if multiple notes are selected, you can change all of them at once with this technique.

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 23:21:56 (permalink)
Anderton,

Ok, I'll Zoom-in to find it.
(About multiple notes) Nice! But I like having different velocity for each note to give some human feel.
All these cold virtual instruments nowdays definitely need some warmth.
 
Again, thank you Anderton (and Scook)  for your (great) support!
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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 23:27:06 (permalink)
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Ok, I'll Zoom-in to find it.

 
Click on the note numbers or keyboard to the left, and drag up or down to change resolution.

(About multiple notes) Nice! But I like having different velocity for each note to give some human feel.
All these cold virtual instruments nowdays definitely need some warmth.

 
It doesn't set them to the same value, it changes their existing values up or down. So if you have a soft note and a loud note selected and increase velocity for one, they will both get louder proportionately, not change to the same value.
 
Also check out the Velocity MIDI plug-in. You'll have a blast.
 

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/07 23:32:26 (permalink)
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It doesn't set them to the same value, it changes their existing values up or down. So if you have a soft note and a loud note selected and increase velocity for one, they will both get louder proportionately, not change to the same value.

Oh okay okay I get it. It's like a group velocity change keeping the proportionalities.
 
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Also check out the Velocity MIDI plug-in. You'll have a blast.

Definitely will!! I already had a blast with the Midi Quantize Plugin (especially the Humanizer slider)...
It's the kind of tool I missed from Cubase!

Now you can quote me to the Cakewalk managers:

Anderton made me feel like home with SonarX3.

Seriously. Operating with SonarX3 starts to feel good now.



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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/08 00:28:49 (permalink)
Cool! I got the vibe from what you wrote, what you asked, your starting a separate thread to avoid confusion, and including videos to get your point across that you're serious about this. I also get the sense you're the kind of person who, the more you get into Sonar, the more you're going to dig it and the more creative you'll be with it. Sonar has all kinds of little surprises as you get further into it.
 
I also feel a certain kinship because I bounced back and forth between Acid and Cubase back in the day, because at that time Acid couldn't do serious MIDI or hard disk recording, but Cubase didn't really do looping. When Sonar came along with MIDI, hard disk recording, and the ability to not only work with but create/edit Acidized loops, I checked it out and was hooked. 
 
If you want a hint of some of the really out there stuff you can do with Sonar, check out my Tip of the Day thread that ran during August (but I cheated and added a few more tips). And by the way, it's not just scook and me, we just happened to be here at the right time. This forum is loaded with helpful people who really know their way around Sonar. This community isn't listed as a feature on a spec sheet, but it's the icing on the...uh...cake.

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Re: Shortcut / Script to toggle In-Line Midi Editing mode (Track View "Notes") 2014/10/11 23:52:51 (permalink)
Hello Anderton,

Oh so you're an Acid/Cubase "alumni" aswell, that explains all!
Again thank you for all this help because it's helping me getting my "basics" back.

On my side, Acid was really intuitive, precise and fast to "Zoom-in, paint notes, adjust volume, Zoom out", and to "Zoom-in, cut a waveform in a pixel-perfect manner, zoom-out" gestures.

Just like Tom Cruise in Minority Report, that fast, and it was part of my creative process, that I'm trying to get back on Sonar X3 now that it has In-Line midi editing and the Smart Grid (I believe only Acid and Sonar has it).

I've read some Tips of the Day you've wrote, and I've bookmarked some of them indeed for later use, it's incredibile this amount of features "behind the wheel" you helped users (re)discover indeed!

Cakewalk's forum should definitely listed as a feature ^^.
BTW I wonder why they didn't upgraded their forum to Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/)... But I guess that's again another off-topic subject.
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