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2014/01/17 14:51:29 (permalink)

Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers?

Hello All!
I was on the ASUS support website and I noticed that there are multiple driver updates available for my computer including chipset and video driver updates. My system is pretty stable (see system specs below) and Sonar performance is okay except for the occasional crackles, pops and clicks in VST intensive projects.
Should I update these drivers? Will it improve performance or am I just asking for trouble?
I value your opinion!

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 15:20:24 (permalink)
It can't hurt, it may help, it may not. Just be prepared to do a rollback if you see performance get worse.
 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 15:29:49 (permalink)
Yes and run windows update. And get yourself a decent backup strategy if you don't have already.

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 15:32:13 (permalink)
Danial: it is the correct way to build a rock solid hard disk recorder , from time to time one must also read bios revs.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 15:38:43 (permalink)
emwhy, thanks for your siggestion.. If I do, I'll be sure to prepare for a roll back..
 
CakeAlexS, I'm all up to date on Windows but that's good advice!  I also spent a lot of effort on back up recently. Currently backing up all projects to an external USB hard drive AND to a cloud server.. I remember someone saying, if your data doesn't exisit in three locations, it doesn't exisit at all!
 
StarTekh, thanks for your generous offer! I may take you up on that!

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 15:56:17 (permalink)
Danial:  http://support.asus.com/download.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=14&s=11&m=CG5275&os=&hashedid=oXcb4oz2IAGY8VHF
 
Version  9.1.1.1023
 
Intel Chipset Driver V9.1.1.1023 for Windows 32/64bit XP & 32/64bit Vista & 32/64bit Windows 7.
 
although this driver is old .. it is the correct driver for your system
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 16:00:48 (permalink)
Danial i raed the bios rev's .. can you d/l and install cpu-z and tell me that bios rev the board is running ..ty
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 16:02:09 (permalink)
After you do an ASUS update please go to :
http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect
 
This may have later drivers...

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 16:02:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/01/17 16:57:07
I'm not sure I'd agree 100% with StarTekh. I'd say this:
 
If you're system is running stable, and there's nothing wrong with it, then you'd ideally want to avoid messing with it. If you do, be prepared to kick yourself in the behind and rollback the updates.
 
If it's a net-PC (which I assume most DAWs are at this point), then Windows, Java, Adobe, etc. updates are a necessary evil (just for security purposes), but I'd avoid driver updates like the plague on a stable system. 
 
Now...if you're system is NOT stable and you suspect one or more drivers are giving you issues (like a bad video driver causing crashes when watching videos), then you could always try to upgrade one at a time versus all at once. This way, you can give the update a few days to see if it addresses your problem or not before updating the driver for your next system component.
 
With all that said: I personally try to keep things up to date, but then again, I've never had that fabled "entirely stable" system. 

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 16:10:33 (permalink)
If you have the latest driver (and firmware) generally this is the most stable and fastest, as that's the whole reason that updates are released (well on the whole).
...and if you have a decent backup strategy there's just no real issue about updating, you can easily roll back in the unlikely event that something goes wrong.
Win, win and rollback if you lose.
Sorry I'm not part of the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" brigade (old school thinking to be honest) as it seems the people who have the most issues are the people who don't update often enough or who keep their machines permanently offline. If you keep your software up to date you avoid dependency issues. Updates keep your system stable, maybe 5+ years ago things were different when patches were less reliable...

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 16:54:47 (permalink)
Alex: In general I stick to Motherboards home page support, as the chipset drivers there are known to be stable and are for that board ! Thanks for jumping in on the post you offer sound upto date advice !
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 17:01:15 (permalink)
When it comes to workstations dedicated to a single purpose, "if it ain't broke, don't fix" it is a good practice"  Downloading the latest and greatest drivers makes the assumption that your DAW software has been optimized to work with that update.  Sometimes it is the opposite.  In any case, having a good rollback strategy is a good idea.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 17:32:10 (permalink)
Install the Os... update the os... Install motherboard chipset drives and latest video drivers....then run....if it ain't broke, don't fix"..
 
You can then spend time on song writing, and if a issue comes up . at lest you will have a ground... to work from
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 17:57:44 (permalink)
It is easy to roll back a driver update these days if it poisons your system. Application updates and firmware (BIOS) updates can be more problematic. An update that fixes a problem with one part of the system, written by the support people for that part, is never guaranteed to play well with everything else that may be on your system. If you do updates enough times you will find one that screws something up. Even Windows security updates have been known to be problematic. You can freeze the entire software system in a disk image if you want to be sure of an exit. Some BIOs updates can also be restored, but figuring out how can be difficult sometimes. And on some hardware you can still make the computer/device permanently unusable by a firmware/Bios update gone bad.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/17 22:42:15 (permalink)
If it aint broke don't fix it.  When it comes to a BIOS even the manufacturers recommend not updating unless it's totally necessary. 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 02:25:01 (permalink)
> If it aint broke don't fix it.  When it comes to a BIOS even the manufacturers recommend not updating unless it's totally necessary. 
 
Really? Please supply me the link to the manufacturer who recomends not doing BIOS updates? BIOSs nowadays are easy and pretty safe to update and rollback. If you've ever done server support for instance you will probably be doing regular BIOS updates and pushing out firmware like windows update. Even my TV and router has firmware updates pushed out from the manufacturer (automated). I generally wait an extra month though before I do it in case of any issues. In the future (maybe years away) I expect firmware and BIOS updates to be rolled out automatically like any software update), BIOS updates are no big deal any more. There you go.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 02:38:57 (permalink)
>  In general I stick to Motherboards home page support, as the chipset drivers there are known to be stable and are for that board !
 
ASUS will probably get the updates from Intel on the whole (they make the chipsets after all). Generally it's a matter of waiting for ASUS to copy and paste chipsets from Intel to ASUS. If ASUS has the latest or there is some issue then Intel autoupdate will simply do nothing. Intel autoupdate won't supply BIOS updates for the board.

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 07:20:58 (permalink)
if it ain't broke fix it til it is

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 07:21:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby markyzno 2014/01/18 10:10:18
if it ain't broke fix it til it is

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 10:10:35 (permalink)
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 11:51:29 (permalink)
Good-day everyone :Alex I ran the http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect prgm.  That's real nice.. and confirmed all my drivers were old but perfect (1019) and correct !
 
Back to the topic : If you take the time to set up your system,  you can have years of running smooth..I know im doing it, but do understand there must be a proper ground up build. Many users here are song writers players, not computer tech's . so its understood they have little clue about making system run/track perfect and I respect that ...most are Artists ! and just wana record their stuff ..
 
Bottom-line : Read very carefully ...ask for support, there are a hand-full of users here that can support any build.. some have passed on Like Charlie .. and some like Alex have come on board .. use the tools at hand !
 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 12:48:19 (permalink)
As a general rule, when it comes to chipset drivers, if you have working ones, you likely don't need to upgrade them.  Usually when the chipset drivers are updated, it's to add additional compatibility to new devices that are added to the same chipset, such as USB3 support being added to a certain motherboard chips, but if you only have USB2 ports, then this added driver would be unnecessary. 
 
That said, I've seen MANY cases where the chipset drivers were not correct to begin with and even though many of the systems seem to work fine, there are things underlying the obvious stuff that really is using fall-back drivers built into Windows or something.  We're talking about things like the bridge from memory to CPU and other less obvious.
 
Video drivers are a slightly different case as new version often bring performance increases.  they also often bring problems! Definitely either have an image of your system or some other way to fall back.
 
Regarding BIOS updates: I agree with the opinion that you generally don't need to update the BIOS unless you ahsve a good reason to do it.  An example is for additional CPU support, such as an i7 being supported in a motherboard that previously only supported an i5, for instance.  In this case, if you are sticking with the same CPU, there would be no benefit to this new chipset driver.  Most of the time, if you don't have a specific reason to update your BIOS, you probably don't need to.
 
Remember that there is ALWAYS a chance when updating something like your BIOS of "bricking" your entire system - i.e. it might never boot again.  Most newer BIOSs have protection against this and ways to recover where older BIOSs had no way to go back.  Just be sure you have the EXACT update you need for your model of motherboard and certainly don't do this willy-nilly or especially at a time when you need your computer to do a project due to the risks.  The optimal time to do something like a BIOS update is when you are building your machine, not when you are looking for a performance boost or something, which you probably won't get from a BIOS change.
 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 12:51:01 (permalink)
By the way, for those unfamiliar with the BIOS update, here's a good article on the topic: http://www.howtogeek.com/136881/htg-explains-do-you-need-to-update-your-computers-bios/
 

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 13:13:44 (permalink)
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> If it aint broke don't fix it.  When it comes to a BIOS even the manufacturers recommend not updating unless it's totally necessary. 
 
Really? Please supply me the link to the manufacturer who recomends not doing BIOS updates? BIOSs nowadays are easy and pretty safe to update and rollback. If you've ever done server support for instance you will probably be doing regular BIOS updates and pushing out firmware like windows update. Even my TV and router has firmware updates pushed out from the manufacturer (automated). I generally wait an extra month though before I do it in case of any issues. In the future (maybe years away) I expect firmware and BIOS updates to be rolled out automatically like any software update), BIOS updates are no big deal any more. There you go.




 Asus, Intel, and planet duh!   Reason are few for BIOS updates.  Upgrading processors, recognizing larger hard drives, fan control, ect.   Most of them have a READ ME file. 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 13:38:20 (permalink)
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Good-day everyone :Alex I ran the http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect prgm.  That's real nice.. and confirmed all my drivers were old but perfect (1019) and correct !
 
Back to the topic : If you take the time to set up your system,  you can have years of running smooth..I know im doing it, but do understand there must be a proper ground up build. Many users here are song writers players, not computer tech's . so its understood they have little clue about making system run/track perfect and I respect that ...most are Artists ! and just wana record their stuff ..
 
Bottom-line : Read very carefully ...ask for support, there are a hand-full of users here that can support any build.. some have passed on Like Charlie .. and some like Alex have come on board .. use the tools at hand !
 
Have  Great  Day !




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  If there are any users left on this forum still using M-Audio PCI cards, you know well of finding that driver version that works and sticking with it. 
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/18 13:56:52 (permalink)
Continuously updating your chipset drivers is a fools game. I know this because I am a fool. Every time I've played the game, I've lost and ended up with a machine that required professional intervention. My experience has taught me that bios and MB updates are the last option, not the first.

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/19 05:55:48 (permalink)
I bought a £300+ motherboard with dual bios and a bios recovery tool, but I never updated the bios...

I lie, I updated it maybe 20+, mostly to try out custom made ones for overclocking. If it fails it fixes easily, Rampage 3 extreme. But it never did fail.

I absolutely hate that I bought that board now though, because I will never again be able to use a non rampage grade motherboard, but then again they are built to last over a decade even when overclocked.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/19 10:49:57 (permalink)
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Continuously updating your chipset drivers is a fools game. I know this because I am a fool. Every time I've played the game, I've lost and ended up with a machine that required professional intervention. My experience has taught me that bios and MB updates are the last option, not the first.




It's a fools game if you don't have a backup strategy.

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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/19 10:51:51 (permalink)
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> If it aint broke don't fix it.  When it comes to a BIOS even the manufacturers recommend not updating unless it's totally necessary. 
 
Really? Please supply me the link to the manufacturer who recomends not doing BIOS updates? BIOSs nowadays are easy and pretty safe to update and rollback. If you've ever done server support for instance you will probably be doing regular BIOS updates and pushing out firmware like windows update. Even my TV and router has firmware updates pushed out from the manufacturer (automated). I generally wait an extra month though before I do it in case of any issues. In the future (maybe years away) I expect firmware and BIOS updates to be rolled out automatically like any software update), BIOS updates are no big deal any more. There you go.




 Asus, Intel, and planet duh!   Reason are few for BIOS updates.  Upgrading processors, recognizing larger hard drives, fan control, ect.   Most of them have a READ ME file. 




You said "When it comes to a BIOS even the manufacturers recommend not updating unless it's totally necessary. "
 
I specifically asked for your references (a link) to this specific statement you made. Any motherboard manufacturer will do.
So far you just gave me a list of reasons why to update firmware, nothing to backup your actual statement.
I agree it's important to read the README although FYI BIOS's often contain undocumented bugfixes as motherboard manufacturers are notorious at not updating their changelogs correctly.
 
UPDATE - And I would agree if you aren't comfortable in updating firmware then don't unless you want to, however you should get familiar if you want an optimal system. I don't believe this is the sole domain of "techies" anymore.
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Re: Should I Update My Chipset and Video Drivers? 2014/01/21 23:19:46 (permalink)
 
If your motherboard is recent, there may very well be useful things to be had with a new bios version.
 
I just updated mine yesterday and the new bios had (for example) improved usb 3 handling.  Now, I don't have any usb3 devices, but I may in the future...
 
My motherboard has this neat easy bios update function :  just but the bios on a usb drive, stick in a dedicated port on the back, press a button and wait.... and wait... while the led flashes and you're beginning to wonder if you've just vapourized everything... then turn the system on, hold your breath... and phew, still alive.
 
Updating a bios is not for the faint of heart.  At some point you just have to bet everything, and hope for the best.
 
I then updated all the other drivers that had new version since last year.  Hmm, RSTe or RST ?  Can't remember what that was all about... Go for the RSTe.  Wondered if my hard drives would still be there after rebooting...
 
While I was at it, I disabled a whole bunch of services I didn't like the look of, then experienced all sorts of weird things (like windows not opening and usb drives taking a full minute to be recognized).  I finally gave up and reenabled everything and things work, but when I have more time I'll go about cleaning things up in more organized approach.
 
Data has become so huge it's now impractical to back everything up.
 
 

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