bayoubill
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Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/11 13:25:22
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Only you can answer that. I just took a chance as a last-ditch effort and really believed I'd be moving along...fooled me. X3 is not the same as X2 IMO.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/11 13:27:20
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There is no should,but if there is a could, why not?
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2013/10/11 16:02:24
bayoubill Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
Yes, you probably shouldn't contemplate on all the possiblities which may or may not make sense, especially in consideration of what has and has not been already said on upgrading to X3 being either good or bad. HTH.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/11 23:33:25
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You should upgrade if you want to. You should not if you do not. If you are unsure then you will start to decay where you stand. Indecision is stagnation. Make a decision. Live with it. If it was a wrong decision, make your next decision a right one. Move ahead - get straight. Enjoy life while you have it. X3 works for me. I love the new tools. Rimshot
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2013/10/12 00:30:23
Because Breaking Bad is done and now you'll have that much more time for recording.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/12 07:14:57
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Mesh
Yes, you probably shouldn't contemplate on all the possiblities which may or may not make sense, especially in consideration of what has and has not been already said on upgrading to X3 being either good or bad. HTH.
That is really profund and deep, thought personally if it was me which it was not I would have and you could have but chose not to have signed it with HTMH, HTPH or HTNH as indeed I am not sure that a HTH should or would have aptly described the contents therein without a qualifying adjective or not. HTHTH
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bayoubill
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/12 13:55:48
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That is really profund and deep, thought personally if it was me which it was not I would have and you could have but chose not to have signed it with HTMH, HTPH or HTNH as indeed I am not sure that a HTH should or would have aptly described the contents therein without a qualifying adjective or not.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/12 14:00:37
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go play with the nurse instead of upgrading, its cheaper and more longer lasting.. ewe wont have to worry about bugs in your nurse
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/12 14:26:01
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My nurse needs upgrading...
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/13 13:05:42
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If $150 isn't too painful to drop and you kind of sort of liked the concept of X2 but were annoyed with the execution and half bakedness of the program then it seems worth it. I've found something else to use for the things X2 is being a jag off about and don't seem to have been fixed in X3. $150 is too much for what would amount to a patch for me and the money is better spent elsewhere. X2 is fine for mixing so I'll use it for that. I'll take my editing business elsewhere... for now. and something about munkees... or becan... wouldn't want to go off topic.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 08:40:26
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The music field isn't cheap even for a modest home hobbyist but if $150.00 is "painful" then I can't help but think the entire process could be hazadous to ones health. I'd recommend oil painting or something that wasn't so..."painful" maybe. FWIW I also think X3 is much more than just a "patch" but I realize that workflow, added features and system performance are factors in ones evaluation. Fortunately for me the $150.00 for the upgrade was nothing when I consider that with X2 being useless to me and possibly having to invest in "starting over". That combined with the fact that X3 is a milestone in the version transitions makes the upgrade a fantastic deal...and I believe many other than myself are realizing that. I think the bakers worked out many major issues and know they can focus on tweaking it. I base that not only that X3 is working so good for me but from what I'm reading there are many others that share the opinion that it is pretty darn solid and a great version with all that it has to offer. I do hope things work out for you Beepster so you can have some stress-free recording time. I know that feeling all to well....and I did take my own advise for over two years now...geeze it took a long time to get back in the saddle. Now I have to learn how to ride again.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 10:09:28
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"Oil painting" Hehe...
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 10:52:02
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LOL... I did! Many years ago there was a guy named Bob Ross that aired on PBS every weekend and I would drink my morning brew and watch him paint. I'm talking for a few years I enjoyed it. One day I remarked to my wife that I could do that. Sometime later there was a pile of painting goods and she said, prove it. I did. I don't know how many are hanging in houses. Got bored with it though. This time instead of dealing with all the X1 and 2 BS or oil painting I built a 24' x 30' shop and filled it with tools (that worked...lol) and built 7 guitars 1, 5-str.bass and a lap steel (to date)... I know by getting away from it saved me a lot of grief...and no telling how many computers! Ya gots to know when to fold 'em. :)
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 10:56:33
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Hi, Spacey. I've noticed you are quite a bit happier with your new setup which is great. I've only had a chance to listen to one of your songs over on the song forum but you are quite the talent and the world is better off with you being able to create unhindered by misbehaving doodads. Looking forward to hearing anything new you come up with. As for me... I occasionally think I may have made an error by investing in upgrading all my gear due to the cost. In reality though it was either that or spend the rest of my life rotting away sitting on my butt going insane while being a drain on society. Can't have that. I'm too young and driven and it would be a terrible disappointment to all those who care about me and those who looked up to me when I was still a strong man. Life ain't nothin' without hope, purpose and at least a little bit of joy, all of which my music has and continues to provide. Not to lay a sob story (self pity is useless and not really my thing) but I've met some incredible challenges to get to this point. I lost my big boy career(s) due to a freak, previously undiagnosed genetic illness so all my income vanished. It was too expensive to stay in the city so I sold everything, paid off my debts, said goodbye to all my friends and made a goal to rebuild smarter and better. I was owed a significant chunk of money that I was hoping would help me coast through until I could get myself set up with some help and whatever was leftover would go towards building up a more modern studio set up (my old rig was dying and horribly outdated). People have bought my music in the past and paid me to teach lessons so instead of wasting time doing lengthy courses to try and get an education for new joyless jobs that may or may not exist or I may not even be physically able to do by the time I'm finished I figured I stick with what I know, love and has worked before. Music. Added benefit was I could do it all from home on my own schedule which is necessary as I never know when my body is going to screw up. The people who owed me the money decided to rip me off. That screwed everything up but I couldn't do anything about it and frankly was so mad I just had to let it go because it was making my health worse. I secured my meager pension, paid off any new debts and started researching/buying what I needed. I get about $1000 a month which well over 2/3rds of has gone to rent. I've had to move twice in the past year both of which moves cost me over $700 each. Somehow... and really when I crunch the numbers I really do not know how I did it, over the course of the past year and a half I've invested over $3000 into my studio. Keep in mind this is not a luxury or a hobby for me. I intend to pull myself out of poverty with it. Even a couple extra hundred bucks a month to me would make an enormous difference in my lifestyle but ideally I want to become completely self sufficient again. I despise being a leech (even though I probably haven't come close to soaking up what I've paid in various taxes over the years... but that's not the point). So the thing that gets me is after all that Cakewalk can't even be arsed to patch X2 opting instead to raise their upgrade price. X3 does sound like it's worth the money with all the extra doohickeys but I don't need that stuff. They also didn't fix the things that have been giving me problems and now that people have been sitting on it for a while I'm starting to see the bug reports trickling in. So being completely financially exhausted, still needing a couple more key components for my set up and literally hungry $150 for something that probably won't do what I need it to just... well I'll say it... it pisses me off. Not sure how often you wander upstairs but I generally try to remain upbeat and cheerful. Even in light of this I praise what I feel are positive things Cakewalk has done with X3 and I don't even think this is their fault (I blame corporate shenanigans in the background). It's a business and they gotta make their dough. As a customer though and someone trying to set up a business myself I can't get caught up in the hype or emotion lest I make a mistake. There is absolutely no room for mistakes in my world. $150 would take me several months to pay off and currently what I desperately need is a VRM box ($100). Then I really need to start saving money so I can afford stuff like getting into the songwriters guild, SOCAN and whatever other royalty collection/musicians collectives/advocate groups that might help me along. Then there is the matter of manufacturing and distribution which I'll have to do myself at first and since I'll be putting together some books there is copyright and publishing costs. I've even considered patenting my methods which is BIG bucks. So the struggle is far from over and I was hoping my hardware/software stuff would be dealt with by now. A helpful forum member saw where my concerns were and PMd for more details (as I was specifically trying not to take a dump in the punchbowl) and showed me how one of the competitors deals with a few of the functions I've been having problems with. It's looks way better and more importantly is supposed to work as advertised. This is a much smaller investment than the upgrade to X3 Pro so although I am loathe to learn another platform just to do a few processes I just need to get the work done. X2 will be used for its strengths which for me is mixing. Perhaps if X3 turns into the powerhouse X2 should have been and I have the money then I'll upgrade because there are a few things I would like access to but really they are not crucial to accomplish my specific goals. tl;dr... I'm broke, tired and cranky. ;-) Anyway, I hope you've been well and I'm looking forward to hearing some more of your musical creations. Cheers.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 10:58:37
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Well that was a little longer than intended. Oops.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 11:23:24
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Beepster I know what it's like to start from scratch. I had to in 1990. Fortunately I had my health...that and determination...maybe more of instinct to survive. My music is nothing more than a hobby although before 1986 I was a serious musician making a very nice supplement income. As I previously mentioned I know it's not cheap even for the hobbyist. I know that it is important for one to prioritize even when funds aren't tight and it is very upsetting when one faces a set-back when a purchase fails, for any reason. Not receiving satisfactory resolution is salt to the cut. The depth of the cut is what we each evaluate and respond to. I can see where my advice, although it worked for myself as a hobbyist, does not help you. What I hope helps you is that you knowing that there are people that do understand, care and hope you get the tools to continue and succeed. I just built a lap-steel. I think it's a nice one. If it will help I'll mail it to you and you can sell it here, there or anywhere. PM me where you'd like it to go and receive it with my best wishes Beepster.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 11:27:52
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Thanks for all the input my fellow Becaneers! Due to sudden updates and status of and on the state of the VA, my retirement check, and where I live I may be forced to relocate. I suppose I will wait and see before I upgrade.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 11:35:10
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bayoubill Thanks for all the input my fellow Becaneers! Due to sudden updates and status of and on the state of the VA, my retirement check, and where I live I may be forced to relocate. I suppose I will wait and see before I upgrade.
what happened ,, did the van get towed????
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 11:58:01
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spacey Beepster I know what it's like to start from scratch. I had to in 1990. Fortunately I had my health...that and determination...maybe more of instinct to survive. My music is nothing more than a hobby although before 1986 I was a serious musician making a very nice supplement income. As I previously mentioned I know it's not cheap even for the hobbyist. I know that it is important for one to prioritize even when funds aren't tight and it is very upsetting when one faces a set-back when a purchase fails, for any reason. Not receiving satisfactory resolution is salt to the cut. The depth of the cut is what we each evaluate and respond to. I can see where my advice, although it worked for myself as a hobbyist, does not help you. What I hope helps you is that you knowing that there are people that do understand, care and hope you get the tools to continue and succeed. I just built a lap-steel. I think it's a nice one. If it will help I'll mail it to you and you can sell it here, there or anywhere. PM me where you'd like it to go and receive it with my best wishes Beepster.
Wow. That is an extremely generous offer and just brightened my day. I couldn't ask you to do that though and if I did end up with a Spacey original I certainly would not sell it. I'll be okay (I've made it this far) and I'm sure there are much more worthy causes it could go to like a charity raffle or donated to a music school for disadvantaged kids. It would be selfish of me to accept charity when so many others, especially in your own country, are hurting (I'm in Canada which did not get hit as hard as the US by the economic meltdown). The truth is if I stopped buying gear right now my finances would be tight but balanced so if I took you up on it I would be a pretty scummy human IMO. Your kind words and benevolence mean more than gear or money could... seriously. Thank you. You are a good man.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 12:05:25
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Geeze Beepster! I didn't feel sorry for you..........but that was before I learned you were in Canada! You knows I'm kiddin'.. It wasn't charity...musicians help one another, that's all. Personally I would have taken the offer and dumped the sucker for whatever it would turn. Sleep on it. :)
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 12:11:36
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Hahaha. Yeah, it is indeed a gravy and curd covered hell but we make the best of it what with our funny pom pom hats and wearing socks during sex. Gotta make your own fun, eh? And thanks again. I'll mull it over but a nice guitar like that could really help a less fortunate younger fellow get a leg up. Music saved me from all sorts of dastardly things when I was a young man and if I ever get into a position to again I'd like to put some of my resources into helping others find the creative outlet for their problems like I did. I truly believe music can save lives. Cheers.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 12:51:17
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Yanno, Spacey. There is one thing that you actually could help me with that would save me some money and/or fix a problem I've been having. I have various guitars with nut issues. Some have been dropped and the nuts have been partially broken (but still usable) and my newer ones have good nuts but the slots are too deep and create buzzing despite me going through proper set up procedures. I've been wanting to get the nuts replaced professionally but am hesitant to bring them into the shop to let some unknown entity mess with them (I have bad experience with repair guys before) and considering it multiple guitars it's just another chunk of money to drop on something I think I could fix myself. Seeing as how they are not guitar models that have readily available precut nuts for sale (like Strats or Gibsons tend to) and that I don't have the tools or skills to cut my own I don't think full on replacements are a good idea. Recently I read somewhere that fixing/raising nuts can be achieved by mixing a combination of crazy glue and baking soda, applying it in various ways for specific tasks then sanding it down to reform the nut. Have you ever done this and do you think it is a viable solution? The newer guitars with the low slots merely need the nut removed, the paste applied to the bottom, dried and sanded then reglued (with wood glue of course... not the crazy glue). The one older guitar however has the corner of the nut chipped off so the high E slot has been compromised so the string can slide out of the slot rather easily and the slot itself was slightly lower (I've been just putting a small piece of glossy cardboard under the string to raise it up but that deadens the string a little). I was thinking I could rebuild the chipped area by applying layers of the crazy glue/baking soda compound until it is high enough to keep the string in place while slightly raising the slot to where it should be. I do have a cheap set of chinese needle files I bought for this type of work and although they aren't actually luthier tools they work pretty well. Once I get the nut reformed I'd just use those to make sure the slot is smoothed out at the right height. So basically... is this a decent plan or am I following "old wives tales for guitarists" type advice from the internet? PS: I am very good with my hands for fine work like this so physical skill nor lack of patience are a problem. Cheers.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 12:54:27
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And sorry for the threadjack, Bill.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 13:32:03
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I'll apologize for hyjacking too..... Well Beep let me see... To answer your question; No I've never repaired a nut, only made them. If I were to improvise then I would find some bone. Seems like that wouldn't be so hard to find. I would make one from antler before I'd try patching one. The right tools make it nice but I imagine I could make one with antler, a hacksaw, finger nail file, knife, and a small piece of fine sanding paper. You have those mooses up there don't ya?....man there's enough in one of those to supply Gibson lol. Moosehead nuts....Bapu could really do up a t-shirt for that!
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2013/10/14 14:10:06
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 14:11:43
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Years ago I drank so much of that they gave me a t-shirt.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 14:19:23
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We ate all the mooses in the great poutine famine of '03, antlers and all. Perhaps I should learn how to properly measure for a nut and see if I can get some custom made but again that'd be some dough and who knows what the results would be. I figure the ones that basically just need to be shimmed won't be a big deal with the glue/baking soda method but you got me thinking... In the posts where they were talking about this method one guy was talking about using bone dust instead of baking soda. I just happen to have a bone blank I was attempting to shape into a nut (I could have made two out of it it was so big and I was trying to widdle it down with just a file buy hand without a table vice or anything... lol) but gave up because it was taking too long. I could start hacking away at it again to generate enough dust for this purpose then continue my crude attempts at completing to use as a final product. What I really need is a dremel and a pile of blanks to practice on. All these guitars have those crummy plastic factory nuts so if I got good enough at it I could do a proper job and replace them all exactly how I want. But yeah I think I definitely could use at least a table vice to hold the darned things. Trying to grip it with my hand for hours on end was not very pleasant once I tried to put it down. lol Cheers, man.
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Re: Should I and Or Why Upgrade to X3?
2013/10/14 14:56:43
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Time....yes it is key. It takes me hours to build a nut but it's something I wanted to get very good at. I imagine I will always be trying to get there. If I were to attempt repair I too would use bone dust and superglue. Material is choice Beep but I sure like bone. I would sure run a free ad asking for some deer antlers...somebody will come through and just one set will keep you busy a long time.
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