Chevy
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Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
My extremely humble little studio is running ok right now on Sonar Studio X3 / Windows 7 x 64. I have one week left on the option to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This would require, according to what I've seen at the Cakewalk site, an upgrade to, say, Sonar Professional for $99. (Platinum is $299..., a bit much). It's my understanding that my Ozone 7, and Waves plugins will work on Windows 10, no issues. Since Windows 7 will receive extended support till 2020, do I have anything to worry about? Just stand pat and carry on? But... Perhaps it would be nice to get the added features of Sonar Professional... not sure. Time for an upgrade anyways? One other thing... can anyone recommend a competitive DAW they like better than Sonar for around the same price? The one big major concern here is that my current audio projects need to still work on the new DAW, whatever it is.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 00:25:21
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I avoided the Win 10 upgrade for the simple reason that everything was working fine. A couple weeks ago, I turned on my computer and got the message, "welcome to Windows 10!" I have no idea how Windows was able to do this without my permission. I am assuming that I somehow inadvertently did something that granted the permission. The good news is: everything seems to be working just fine. No problems so far.
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Chevy
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 00:32:43
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Gary McCoy I avoided the Win 10 upgrade for the simple reason that everything was working fine. A couple weeks ago, I turned on my computer and got the message, "welcome to Windows 10!" I have no idea how Windows was able to do this without my permission. I am assuming that I somehow inadvertently did something that granted the permission. The good news is: everything seems to be working just fine. No problems so far.
Cool. What version of Sonar are you running ? X3 apparently has not been approved by cakewalk to work in Windows 10.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 00:47:30
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1) You do NOT have to upgrade Sonar X3 to move to Windows 10. It runs just fine. 2) You WILL likely have to update your audio interface drivers to a newer version that IS compatible with Windows 10. Go to the web site for the audio interface manufacturer, and check their driver support page(s) to see if they indeed have created drivers for your exact model of audio interface for Windows 10. If they have not done this, then you will need to consider either remaining on Windows 7, 8.0, or 8.1, OR purchasing a new audio interface where the manufacturer HAS created drivers for running on Windows 10. 3) Your 64-bit plugins will most likely run on Windows 10, and I have not myself seen any reports of any of the more popular ones failing to run on Windows 10. I don't know anything whatsoever as to whether or not 32-bit 3rd-party plugins run in a 64-bit Windows 10 environment. I, and many others, have either completely or nearly completely moved to running 64-bit plugins altogether, as bridging 32-bit plugins has caused so many folks so many problems that most seem to have completed the move to 64-bit plugins, with perhaps a handful that seem to run OK when bridged to a 64-bit Sonar. I will be converting my primary DAW from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 sometime early next week, as an upgrade in place. I will be creating a disc image of my C: drive prior to that, in case things go South. the only things that live on that drive are Windows, my applications, and associated AppData and ProgramData. All user libraries and things like Cakewalk Content, Projects, and sample libraries live on separate hard drives 'Data Drives', so those are unaffected by my upgrading to Windows 10. Should an upgrade in place fail to run smoothly, I will have completed enough of the process to where Microsoft will have the requisite authorization key registered in their system, and I will then likely combine doing a clean install of Windows 10 with my upgrading my motherboard to something more robust than what I currently have. Just do your homework, and have a plan for both completing an upgrade, and for recovering from one if it fails, as well as being prepared to have to do a clean install of Windows 10 and all applications, should the upgrade in place not work properly. With proper backups and plans for installation and recovery, you should have all bases covered, provided you made sure there are indeed device drivers available for whatever audio interface you plan to use with Windows 10. Bob Bone
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 01:05:51
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They want you to upgrade, can you blame them,, Cakewalk and Microsoft are sort of using a heavy hand with this upgrade business. Bet you they extend the offers too... If X3 and W7 is working and there is nothing on the list of new features that turns your crank I myself would just stay put.. I personally don't care a rat's arse which OS is running in the background because I don't really use it.. I just turn the computer on and go straight to Sonar or Wave Lab. I'm typing this on a laptop running Windows XP. I put an SSD drive in it and it runs like a top. My laptop DAW runs on W7 64 bit and it runs better than a brand new Lenovo we have at work that is bloated with W10. My office computer is now W10 which I took the bait and did myself,, but,, like Gary above I turned on my smoothly running W8.1 DAW desktop one day only to find the same "Welcome to windows 10" message? Serves me right for forgeting to disable the internet after I updated Sonar. PITA to re authorize a few apps like AD and Stienbergs iLock. But I see absolutly no differance ,, it was a boring upgrade. My desktop and everything looks the same as it did in W8.1. I think what happened is you get so used to the W1o upgrade nag screen and you just blindly close it.. Mircosoft figured this out and I think they moved the buttons around so you were actually saying OK go for it.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 01:16:09
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My DAW is still on Win 7 and will remain that way until an upgrade becomes 100% necessary to run Sonar, which hopefully won't be for a while yet. There are no Win 10 drivers for my interface so I have to also figure in the cost of upgrading that particular unit.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 02:24:48
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I run Sonar X2 Producer on W7 x64 which works fine. I also cloned that SSD to another SSD. Then I upgraded W7 to W10. As I read somewhere above. You need to be sure that the equipment you use like audio interfaces have W10 drivers available. In my case it is and X2 runs fine on W10, even X1 does. Later I decided to upgrade to Sonar Platinum Life updates and that runs fine as well on W10. Jan
DAW: Sonar X2 Producer (x64) and Platinum, 44,100kHz-24bit; Platform: Windows, W7U / W10P; multiboot; PC HW: P55-GD65 motherboard; processor i7 860 2.7GHz; 16GB RAM;Notebook: BTO 15CL19H; processor i7-7700HQ 2.8 -3.8GHz; 32GB RAM;Data Storage: terabites on several HDD and NAS backupAudio Interfaces: Sonar-V-Studio 100, Soundcraft Signature 12MTK, Roland Duo-Capture Ex, Roland Rubix22
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 05:50:12
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I put off upgrading my Windows 7 machine until last week. I did the "in place" update and everything is working fine. I haven't even got round to updating my interface drivers - it all seems to be ticking along nicely. All completely painless. Not sure I am a big fan of 10 - guess will just take a bit of getting used to. I was perfectly happy on 7, but feared that Sonar would stop working on it eventually. Not much point having Lifetime Upgrades if Sonar won't run on the OS.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 09:12:12
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Chevy, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 11:07:27
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There are claims of improved performance,, not sure why or where and I probably wouldn't benefit because I still use the same features I used in Sonar 8.5 ...For me the best reason to upgrade is the better quality VST's and plug ins. Still not 100% happy with the editing features now but you slowly win the uphill battle and work gets done. Overall the best reason to keep abreast and fully updated is the support and functionality. You fall behind and your on your own. My gripe with upgrading is it takes time away from recording to muck about and then re learn how to do something. I feel like I could never fully grasp Sonar right now. I'm not going to do the lifetime upgrade because right now I don't have the cash. I had to upgrade my PA system and I'm still paying that off. My hobby has to break even ( wife rule#4) so gigs and recording clients pay the way. Sonar is very stable right now and I'm only interested in if they ever add full wave editing like Wave Lab. If there's any bugs lurking I've yet to find them.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 11:30:24
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Cactus Music Overall the best reason to keep abreast and fully updated is the support and functionality. You fall behind and your on your own. I went from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (didn't like Windows 8) and Windows 10 is snappier. Another difference is that Windows 10 is multi-client with respect to MIDI. This is a major improvement if you, for example, use a synth editor with MIDI and want it open while SONAR is running. From a UI standpoint, I do like the way W10 integrates W8's ill-fated tiles. My gripe with upgrading is it takes time away from recording to muck about and then re learn how to do something. I feel like I could never fully grasp Sonar right now. You actually don't need to...a quick story. I've been using Live for live performance since it was introduced. At one point there was a major update, and having helped write the manual for Live 2, I was able to have it updated for free. I later ran into Gerhard Behles from Ableton at Messe, and he asked how I liked all the new features. I was embarrassed to say that I didn't use 90% of the new features, that what I had been using was really all I needed. I thought that perhaps he'd be a little offended, but he was actually delighted. He said that's as it should be - a program should have enough features that different people can use it in different ways. SONAR is my DAW because I need to do so many different types of projects that I do end up using just about all its features. But if I never had to do a particular type of project any more in the future, there would probably be some features I'd never use again. I understand "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" which is why I stayed on W7 for as long as I could. But I also understand "if fixing it don't break it, go ahead." I updated to Windows 10 in order to stay current and review/test software in that environment, but ultimately found it didn't break anything (except for the V-Studio drivers - it's a hassle to get working under Windows 10), and the somewhat better performance - as well as multi-client MIDI - was welcome.
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Chevy
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 12:47:05
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Woh... thanks much for the feedback, guys! and yep, it ain't broke... but to show where I'm coming from I read at the Cakewalk site: "The current versions of SONAR 2015, Music Creator 7, Rapture Pro and Z3TA+ 2 are compatible with Windows 10. Previous versions of these products—such as SONAR X3 and Music Creator 6 Touch—have not been tested with Windows 10 and their performance cannot be guaranteed on this operating system." so of course I panicked. I really would like to just carry on and focus on recording if I can, so I'll mull this over a bit more yet. On another note, would anyone recommend an upgrade from my current Studio X3 to Sonar Professional just for the sake of better functionality ? I might be able to do it for just $75... I'm not happy with the console view right now, apparently the new releases are a little more user friendly on that screen?
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 12:49:26
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I upgraded the other four PCs in my household (with very few hassles), and then finally upgraded my music PC from 7 to 10. I did lots of preparation, including creating disk images with two different products and updating a couple of utilities. The upgrade process took 2-3 hours. I found that I didn't need to upgrade my Scarlett drivers or MIDI interface drivers. I keep looking around and trying things out, but so far it looks like everything just works. I haven't noticed any performance changes. I think it's generally a good idea to keep your software up to date.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/23 23:46:30
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It's kind of dumb not to upgrade. It's like turning down a free safer car than the one you own. No your old one isn't broken, but good luck trying to find parts for it.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/24 00:09:48
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Windows 10 is really slick. Do a backup and go for it.
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Chevy
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/24 12:33:58
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My goodness... it's not a split decision, more in favor of the upgrade to windows 10
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/24 16:10:02
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The Anniversary Update is coming out August 2nd which adds some cool new features as well.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/25 20:27:10
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soundtweaker It's kind of dumb not to upgrade. It's like turning down a free safer car than the one you own. No your old one isn't broken, but good luck trying to find parts for it.
Excuse me! If Sonar X3 running on Windows 7, is a TOOL being used to make music, and it is working fine. Then upgrading because it's newer/faster/safer/better/etc. is a decision Chevy needs to make. Is your DAW stable now? You won't notice any stability improvements/ Is your DAW fast enough for what you do? You may notice some improvement. Have you been hacked? You won't notice you're now "safer". Does your DAW do what you want/need it to? You WILL notice all the new "features", you may not put them to use. Now, if you're looking for a little excitement, need some new inspiration, see some cool tools you'd like to use or are just fond of upgrading for the sake of upgrading, then go for it. Either way your decision is NOT dumb. P.S. Tweaker, your car analogy is ridiculous. Software doesn't wear out or need replacement parts. You can keep a solid machine running for at least 10-15 years.
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Chevy
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help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/27 21:56:55
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I've done the update to Win 10, and everything seems to be working except for Sonar X3 Studio doesn't recognize the drivers for my Scarlett 2i2. there are no drivers listed in the edit/preferences/ audio/drivers field. I've tried to uninstall and reinstall the latest driver, but no joy. Any ideas?
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Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/27 22:25:12
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If you go to Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, have you selected ASIO as your Driver Mode for Sonar? If not, once you select it and click Apply, Sonar should look to see if there are any ASIO drivers available, and IF your Scarlett 2i2 drivers are installed and the device is plugged in and seen in Windows, Sonar should automatically select it and populate the various fields in preferences for you. If the above is NOT what is occurring, could it be that the Scarlett 2i2 is expecting to be plugged into a USB 2 port, and perhaps you have it in a USB 3 port? (It may well be fine with either, but certainly at one point in time, many audio interfaces freaked out when plugged into USB 3 ports). Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/27 22:33:31
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I am QUITE confused - this thread starts out with one subject line, and then Chevy's post, right above my recent reply, has a completely different subject line. Am I needing some time off, or is anyone else seeing that with this thread? Original thread subject: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform? Chevy's post subject: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10 Bob Bone
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Chevy
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Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/27 22:35:46
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robert_e_bone If you go to Edit>Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, have you selected ASIO as your Driver Mode for Sonar? If not, once you select it and click Apply, Sonar should look to see if there are any ASIO drivers available, and IF your Scarlett 2i2 drivers are installed and the device is plugged in and seen in Windows, Sonar should automatically select it and populate the various fields in preferences for you. If the above is NOT what is occurring, could it be that the Scarlett 2i2 is expecting to be plugged into a USB 2 port, and perhaps you have it in a USB 3 port? (It may well be fine with either, but certainly at one point in time, many audio interfaces freaked out when plugged into USB 3 ports). Bob Bone thanks Bob... the ASIO is indeed selected, and when I press APPLY, nothing changes. It simply does not recognize the Scarlett driver. On other AUDIO tabs as well, nothing shows up. Under Driver Settings, the "ASIO Panel" button does not produce any response when clicked on. There is just blank space when trying to get something to appear under the Timing Master as well. Sonar just got blinders on, can't see the driver. BUT, my Ozone 7 works on my studio system, as does Media Player. so the driver is indeed there, alive and well.
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Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/27 22:37:45
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robert_e_bone I am QUITE confused - this thread starts out with one subject line, and then Chevy's post, right above my recent reply, has a completely different subject line. Am I needing some time off, or is anyone else seeing that with this thread? Original thread subject: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform? Chevy's post subject: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10 Bob Bone
Yeah, well..., one thing led to the other....  ... now I'm putting out the fire after the conversion to Win 10.
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Chevy
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Solved: Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 10
2016/07/28 21:32:50
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OK, problem solved... the support guys at Focusrite are awesome. I had to download and install Beta Driver 3.2.1 for my older gen Scarlett 2i2, and now it works on Windows 10. Whew.
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Re: Solved: Re: help!!!! Scarlett driver not working after conversion to Windows 1
2016/07/28 23:24:38
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Upgraded my music laptop and my old music laptop. My work laptop isn't compatible though. So now I'm stuck with a Windows Upgrade icon on my toolbar with a yellow warning sign. I hope it goes after the deadline.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/29 11:37:32
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Gary McCoy I avoided the Win 10 upgrade for the simple reason that everything was working fine. A couple weeks ago, I turned on my computer and got the message, "welcome to Windows 10!" I have no idea how Windows was able to do this without my permission. I am assuming that I somehow inadvertently did something that granted the permission. The good news is: everything seems to be working just fine. No problems so far.
Gary, you may have been "scheduled" for an upgrade without realizing it. I remember one day instead of just closing the box that popped up on every boot, I really looked at it and it showed a date and time for me, and I had to tell it "no, I'll schedule it later" or something. If you decide you don't want it, you can probably still roll back, I *think* through windows update.
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Re: Should I upgrade my windows 7 sonar studio x3 to windows 10 platform?
2016/07/29 11:43:45
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soundtweaker It's kind of dumb not to upgrade. It's like turning down a free safer car than the one you own. No your old one isn't broken, but good luck trying to find parts for it.
I disagree. Most audio professionals are hesitant to upgrade anything right away, because they know that with new things come bugs and compatibility problems and see stability as a #1 priority. Also, if your computer is old enough, it is sometimes a very bad idea to upgrade to something designed to work with newer tech.
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