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Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
Hello, all. Hope everyone is having an awesome day. I'm trying to make the best usage of my deskspace here and wondering how concerned I should be about having a reference monitor pressed up against my tower and having my interface sitting on one. They are Mackie's and they claim to be magnetically shielded but I am hesitant to put them so close to my rig for obvious reasons. Any thoughts and or links would be appreciated. Cheers.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 20:14:12
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Even if that would not be bad somehow that inherently sounds like a bad idea. JMO.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 20:45:44
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Hearing loss is at epidemic proportions for today's musicians.. as everything is amped and electrified. The big things to help are: 1. Always have a brickwall limiter on your master when you are sound designing, and composing! Do not forget this. 2. Extreme high's and low's cause more damage than mid frequencies. Near-field monitors are supposed to be close, but you should not need to have there volume anywhere near mid level... Low, low volume is best. Turning up to check a mix, or check a certain frequency is probably ok. 3. Genetics are going to determine just how prone you may be to hearing loss. Although certain loudness will kill anyone's hearing. 4. Advances have been, and are continually being made in the fight against NIHL, and a cure may appear within 15 to twenty years. 5. Get your hearing checked regularly.. I know several musicians, "my age, younger and older," they can not hear a bloody thing. And many of them did not play in loud rock bands like myself for years, and years... What's the difference? I wore ear gear when we played out.. except for the odd practice, or when I was rocking out at home to my marshall... I wore ear gear at practices and home as well. I notice producing.. No ear gear needed. Even my very inexpensive Alesis Monitors are so quiet and clear.. They only get loud if I go ahead and turn them way up.. Anyways.. One of the best mix engineer's I ever met.. He can not hear a thing. Its going to be one loud session in his studio whenever you are there, trust me on that.. you can't even speak up to him, cause he will not hear you... he turns the volume up like a live rock concert.. and his mixes? Banging.. He was doing major label stuff when I met him, I expect its the case now too.. unless he's retired. (also wouldn't surprise me) but shucks.. if he could mix deaf back then, why not now? :p go figure
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 21:10:56
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All good thoughts I'm sure LP, but I don't think that's what he's talking about. In the "good 'ol days" I used to have two CRT's side by side with the reference audio monitors right outside that. They would bend the edges of each display a bit - not good. Once I went to LED video monitors and moved the audio monitors out a bit (but still very much nearfield), I had no issues. As for having anything with a large, moving magnetic field near my DAW, no way! One thing I used to do was use those "terminal valets" that clamp on to your desk and are meant to hold a video monitor (so it's not on your desk and so you can move it around). I found they worked great for getting the reference audio monitors out of the way as well. Take a look at the picture below to see what I mean:
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 21:12:48
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oops.. think I just learned something big time. Thanks craigb :-)
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 21:14:27
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LP, I def having hearing loss. Mostly due to internal damage from chronic ear infections in my youth through my 30s. I, probably like your producer friend, have learned to "compensate". But the only time it's blaring is in headphones and buds. How I compensate (especially for highs) is: 1. I use Ultimate Ears in ear Reference Monitor earphones (molded for my ear configuration). At the right volume I can hear highs that are masked by speakers and my MD50s and to a lesser degree my HD600s. And.... they a flat flat flat response. 2. I use my hearing aids when checking mixes in the car (they have the highs above 7K boosted) and on my Mackie HR824s at low-to-med volume. The only other time I use these are at movies and certain times at home watching TV (when the show/movie is poorly mixed for dialog). 3. Ask my close friends (musos whom I trust) to check my mixes, especially for the highs. And for the most part I do what they suggest when it comes to highs (hats, cymbals and the like).
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 21:24:24
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Yeah... I'm not too worried about hearing loss. My Scarlett monitor knob seems to keep things... uh... a little too quiet even. I just don't want to bork out my gear. If there is even a chance I'm gonna hurt something in my rig I want to avoid it. I was just hoping to have the monitors sitting on my desk permanently so I don't have to tear down every time I do something. I guess I'll just keep doing what I've been doing until I have more room.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/26 22:54:18
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bapu, I totally feel you man; I'm turning up volume to check those hats and cymbals as well. Not much to do about it right now..  they will totally achieve medicine for hearing loss. I've read two articles lately that talk about curing aids, and the coming generation without the aids pandemic. :-) I don't know what to stress on more, "hearing loss, or lung/mouth/throat cancer." I suppose I could quit smoking, and stop playing music. Than again, life would be too short regardless... so... I guess we are mortal... Although, not according to Ray Kurzweil: http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/ Cheers
post edited by Linear Phase - 2012/07/26 22:56:25
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 08:12:05
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Why play music loud anyway?
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 08:38:17
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Beepster. If I understand your question your monitors should ideally:- 1. Have no reflective areas near, in front, behind or to the the sides. 2. Isolated from whatever is holding them up. Best placed on their own stands. 3. Placed away from any equipment that can either be influenced by or has any magnetic fields. See my studio pictures as shown in the Composers Forum link in my signature. The speakers are located on sand filled speaker stands, the stands have spikes on the base to ensure minimum, but stable floor contact. The speakers themselves are then isolated from the top platform by three cones, per speaker. This of course leads to no desk space being occupied by my monitors. If I have misunderstood the question then just ignore everything written above.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 09:10:22
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I'd just as soon have my monitors a fair distance from my computer. On their own stands. So far, knocking on a lot of wood here, there is no hearing loss here...but I usually keep things down a tad....
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 09:15:40
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I place my gear where I can... due to very limited space for the studio. I do try to observe as many of the rules for placement as possible. Tower on the floor below the desk. Monitors on desk about 6 feet apart. One is on a makeshift shelf, the other in in a boxed in bookshelf ares (pictures are on my website) Sub on the floor to my right firing into the room. I must work within the limitations of the system and the environment.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 09:42:59
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Beepster - why don't you put your rig on the floor or out of the way of your working space? If I undertand you correctly, you're thinking of have the actual PC on your desk with the monitors next to it? First of all, wouldn't the fans and harddrive noise be irritating? Second of all, keep all magnets away from a case containing harddrives. I have never experienced a harddrive being wiped by magnetics from a speaker but I have seen some weird behaviour in a computer that was standing with a hi-fi speaker pressed up to it's side. It was old gear but still...
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 12:56:42
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Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm just gonna have to continue tearing the speakers down after each session. The problem is I am crammed into one room and this desk is essentially my everything surface. I've got my two DAWs, my laptop, and a bunch of other crap I need accessible on it. I do all my web stuff, paperwork, eat my dinner, etc on it. I was supposed to have use of a whole other room in the house but it got taken over by other people (very angry about that). The desk is essentially a plank of plywood I put some wood laminate on top of which I attached to the wall. Would have been tons of room to store stuff under it but I had to put my actual store bought desk underneath the plank because I had no where else to put. I can't put my tower underneath it and even if I could it wouldn't work because I can't really bend over enough to plug/unplug stuff or whatever so the computers sit on top. I moved my printer elsewhere now that I don't need it as much which was sitting on top of my old rackmount system so I moved the new tower on top of that which has helped and I was hoping to squeeze one of the monitors into the leftover space on the rackmount and put my i/o box on top of it but then it would be smooshed right up against the tower. Anyway it's a real problem and it has been hindering my work. I just figured because the Mackie's claim to have some fancy magnetic shielding to protect monitors and other computer stuff it might be safe but yeah... I don't really trust it. Man I can't wait to get a new apartment. Cheers, all.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 13:45:26
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get NEW other people?? :)
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 13:49:28
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Yup. Preferably ones that know when to go away. All should be well once I sort out a new living space.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 14:33:42
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Beepster Hello, all. Hope everyone is having an awesome day. I'm trying to make the best usage of my deskspace here and wondering how concerned I should be about having a reference monitor pressed up against my tower and having my interface sitting on one. They are Mackie's and they claim to be magnetically shielded but I am hesitant to put them so close to my rig for obvious reasons. Any thoughts and or links would be appreciated. Cheers. Hi beep, i would move the interface away from a monitor more for concerns over electrical noise injection more than magnetic interference, though any small chokes in filters in the interface could conceivably be placed near saturation and affect performance... doubt it though. i would certainly move the tower away from your monitors... mine is always on the floor out of the way... and speaker stands or at minimum auralex pads isilating the monitors from your desk are highly recommended... wookie's advice is stellar ..and probably signs of a misspent audiophile youth :D (says he with sand filled speaker stands, spikes top and bottom.) oops...add a large "disregard" to most of this... just read your post so facts and reality overrules stuff :)
post edited by Mystic38 - 2012/07/27 14:35:31
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 15:20:23
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Is the idea of having the monitors off the desk just to eliminate vibrations? When I have more room I was just gonna set them up on small desktop stands and put some rubber flooring underlay underneath the stands and then underneath the monitors themselves (between the speakers and the stands). Alternatively I was going to build a shelf above the desk to set them on. They are nearfields and the Mackie manual says to keep them pretty close together. Like three or four feet apart pointed inwards to create an almost perfect triangle where the listener is the last point in said triangle.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 15:24:46
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Beepster there is the option of hanging them. Chain or rope from the ceiling. Solves many issues.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 15:28:06
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Even though I prefer my terminal valets (as they're called), I also have floor speaker stands (the kind with the metal spikes on the bottom) that are easily movable. Those might be another solution (or you could just use one to swing at these "other people"  ).
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 15:32:58
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Cheers, spacey. I was considering something like that. Like creating some kind of sling. Here that would probably work rather well as there is a bulkhead right above my desk but I think the distance to the ceiling might be a little too far in a normal place (which I am desperately hoping to get in the next few months). I'm also concerned about them swinging or turning out of position. These monitors are HIGHLY directional. Even moving them half an inch makes a drastic change in the sound. Such a simple thing but this speaker placement business has me really messed up. :-(
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 15:35:21
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I've never seen these spikey things ya'll are referring to... and what's a "terminal valet"? A parking attendant with 6 months to live? ;-p
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 16:12:06
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BTW: even the new flat LCD displays will cause noise in the pickups on guitars. So be aware of that. the old CRT ones were really bad for that but the new ones will cause noise too.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 16:32:03
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I haven't had too many noise problems with the new rig but that would explain why I was getting so much line noise with my old set up which involved a big ole CRT.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 17:17:17
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Beepster I've never seen these spikey things ya'll are referring to... and what's a "terminal valet"? A parking attendant with 6 months to live? ;-p Exactly! I just have them hold the audio monitors for me (too bad I have to replace them so often though). Actually, here's one version: You can usually find them at any PC-type store.
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 17:19:44
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If you scroll up in this thread and look at the picture of my last setup, you'll see two of those valets, one on each side, and each holding an audio monitor (on top of those slanted Auralex cushions - see pic below).
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Re:Should I worry about how far I keep my reference monitors away from my tower/interface?
2012/07/27 20:03:28
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Ah, I see. Those things are pretty pricey though, aren't they? I'd actually like a few of them at some point because my different chairs and their heights but I gotta go ghetto for now lest I starve... more.
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