pwal


yeah, i had issues w/8.x and 8.5.x too... (and possibly 7 also, but i don't remember for sure)

on a slightly different tip, almost all mixers/producers interviewed, when asked why they use the daw they use, is almost always "because they know where everything is"...

That's understandable - and it's why I tried to separate some of the issues people were reporting on this forum into the "1) I can't find anything" (meaning they don't read the documentation, sigh), and 2) I was comfortable before and now I have to learn all this new stuff" vs the actual bugs.
 
I have seen quite a few people rave about the new "Inspector" for example.   Well, the Inspector has been there a LONG time but because it wasn't "promoted/advertised/hyped up", those who didn't bother to dig in deeper (cough cough read the manaul) didn't even know it was there.
 
So all of a sudden there was this "new/great" thing!    Makes me kinda laugh when I read that stuff.
 
Even the Browser.  It's been there a long time, albeit in different form.
 
But those are not bugs -- they are cosmetic and functional changes;  many of which escape the casual user.
 
 

ba_midi


A lot of those bugs affected me, John -- but not quite the same as X1.

However, a lot of those bugs didn't affect me.  AudioSnap was never something I liked or used much (it just was half-baked in my opinion and still is, though somewhat improved in 8.5.3).

V-Vocal is another one did my best not to use, so it wasn't a biggie for me.

A number of the other bugs - for whatever reason - didn't seem to stop my workflow with the entire 8.x cycle.  Some were definitely annoying, but they just didn't have the "cumulative" affect that the bugs in X1 has for me.

Another example:  The Matrix.   I just stopped using it.  It still has problems and has not had any updating.

And, interestingly enough - SOME of those 8.x bugs STILL exist, in spite of that text showing they're fixed.

But I think there's more to this.  Something I alluded to early on in the X1 release was the phenonenom of people being tired of this endless cycle of rush releases that cause some part of the user base to either not be able to use the software or, at minimum, to do so with a lot of headaches.

People get complacent.  Companies like when that happens, it seems.

But there does come a time when a "mass groove", if you will, occurs (as can be evidenced by many of the changes going on in parts of our world).   This "mass groove" then becomes an outcry.
 
 
Also - with all the DAW 2.0 hype, CW raised everyone's expectations.   Ouch.
 
Speaking only for me, I just reached a point where I felt a 10 year old mature product -- even with a facelift - should have been carefully released.

One thing I can say - for sure:  I will never again trust CW when it comes to 'initial releases' until they show a much better approach to caring about their customers.

It's not that they don't care -- it's that, in my opinion, some decisions were made at the expense of the customer (ie, management may not care as much as they should).

Yes - I understand there are financial pressures and all that.  But at the end of the day, it isn't our job to "manage" their company.   It IS their job to do so.

SO bugs are bugs.  Every software has 'em.   We don't have to eat them for breakfast if we choose not to

I truly get your point Billy and I can't disagree with it. Lets hope that the B patch will get you back to X1. Without your using it and knowing it like you do Sonar in the past we are loosing a great resource in your knowledge.

John


James I don't see those as show stoppers at all. They may be annoying but they wont stop you from making music.

If you hadn't been able to do that in 8 then is it something you would have even noticed?

I agree. They have not stopped me at all; I continue to work through them. But there are just so many niggling things that piss me off that cumulatively it is becoming unsatisfying to work with Sonar.


And I would have noticed it in V8. Especially when I saw one of Cake's videos doing exactly what I used to do in 8.5.3, "Add nodes at selection", working the same in X1.


Except it doesn't work.


While I am at it: does any one know how to make F8 default to "Split" rather than "Trim"?  For those who use the Tool Hub, it is box #4 from the left.

To add envelope nodes
1. Set the track’s Edit Filter control to the desired automation parameter (Track Automation or
Clip Automation).
2. Do one of the following:
• With the Smart tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then double-click.
• With the Smart tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then hold down the ALT key and click.
• With the Select tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then double-click.
• With the Move tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then double-click.
• With the Trim tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then click.
• With the Split tool , position the pointer over the envelope where you want to insert a new
node, then click. Drag to add nodes at mousedown and mouseup positions.

mike_mccue


"Biggest show stopper: if you have multiple clip layers overlapping in one track, you can only edit clip automation on the bottom-most clip."


Yuck, I never even got far enough into X1 to know I couldn't do that anymore.

That's a SHOW STOPPER.

AAARRRGH!! I don't know how many times I've been clobbered by that one!!  

That's usually a sign of a sample rate mismatch somewhere.

Hello.

This is an old thread, but i'll post here before making a new thread.

Everytime i install Sonar X1 Studio x64 (updated to 1d), everything works perfectly. I set up my paths to another HDD as adviced here: http://forum.cakewalk.com...mpage=1&print=true . And when i start making my first project, everything is smooth!

But then after a while X1 starts lagging in even playing the songs. It loads projects farely fast, but every time i trigger record button or just simply try to play the song, it takes ages. And i really don't have any idea what to do. I've been even so frustrated by this that i haven't wanted to record anything.

If any of you has some ideas i could try, give me a hint! I like Sonar but i'm soon forced to go with other softwares.

Processor: LGA1366 i7 920 @ stock
Motherboard: Asus P6T Deluxe v2
RAM: 6gb DDR3 Tri-channel
120gb SSD for Windows and Software
500gb for other Cakewalk folders (project, content...)

Ah i totally forgot to mention that...

I'm using ESI ESP1010e PCI-e:
http://www.esi-audio.com/products/esp1010e/

I just made a fresh install of Sonar X1 Studio and Amplitube X-GEAR. Updated to version 1d.

Playback/Record buffer size? It's now set to 256. Maybe i should try 512?
I don't understand much of those many options in the settings.

I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium x64.


Currently i'm trying to reproduce the problem.

1. I have Studio Drums on one channel, 4 measures 120 tempo.
2. I then recorded as long guitar clip and added an effect to it.
3. Added as long Dimension LE clip.
4. When i started adding fourth channel, just recording silence to it, i had my first freezing.

First i pressed rec on channel, then the record button and nothing happened. I pressed spacebar and recording stopped. After that it recorded fine and played it ok. More testing...