Signal too hot

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2011/10/24 09:53:18 (permalink)

Signal too hot

I have a Motu firewire Mk3 audio interface.  I am finding that using the guitar input on the front the signal is too strong and I get lots of peaks in X1.  There doesnt seem to be a way to roll back the level other than using the volume on the guitar which I would rather not do.  Has anyone experienced the same and what did you do to get around it.  I am running the guitar straight into the interface.  No pedals or anything in between.
 
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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 09:59:02 (permalink)
    What is wrong with the source volume control - guitar?  If the signal is too hot, turn it down.  The instrument input has to accomodate all kinds of signal strengths. 

    IF something is wrong with the sound delivered at lower levels, a higher quality DI box and/or preamp may be in order.

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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 11:29:19 (permalink)
    You dont want to turn down the the pickups on the guitar.  That will change the tone.  Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and how they have gotten around it.  Maybe a DI box is needed. What would be a decent quality one for guitar.
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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 11:39:22 (permalink)
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    I have a Motu firewire Mk3 audio interface.  I am finding that using the guitar input on the front the signal is too strong and I get lots of peaks in X1.  There doesnt seem to be a way to roll back the level other than using the volume on the guitar which I would rather not do.  Has anyone experienced the same and what did you do to get around it.  I am running the guitar straight into the interface.  No pedals or anything in between.
     
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    You can use CueFX (the application that comes with the MOTU) to adjust the levels on all inputs of the device.
    You can also use the front panel controls to do so as well.


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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 12:31:52 (permalink)
    I tried that the device only has a control for trim and it is set to the minimum.  It only seems to boost the level not cut it.
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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 12:55:40 (permalink)
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    I tried that the device only has a control for trim and it is set to the minimum.  It only seems to boost the level not cut it.


    I'm not sure if the 'pads' in the front have an effect on hi-z signals (guitar) but have you tried switching them ?



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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 13:24:29 (permalink)
    Maybe a dumb question but did you switch the front panel toggle switch on the input from mic to guitar? That changes the input impedance.

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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 14:14:41 (permalink)
    Thanks for the ideas.  I did check the pad switch it only impacts the Mic not the hi-z.  The unit doesnt have a switch for mic to guitar.  I did google this and saw a few similar complaints. 
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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 14:50:08 (permalink)
    If this is a new unit, it might be bad.



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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 19:00:39 (permalink)
    If there is no pad, no active pickups/preamp on the guitar and no usable front end gain to adjust either in software or hardware, then the next option is a pad jack. They are pretty simple to make and always useful for these scenarios. Just an inline attenuator really that you can make yourself for a few dollars. Cheers.

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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/24 21:49:05 (permalink)
    Did you check this: 

    V-Limit™ hardware limiter
    Both mic/guitar inputs are equipped with V-Limit™, a hardware limiter that helps prevent digital clipping from overloaded input signals. With V-Limit enabled, signals can go above zero dB (where limiting kicks in) to as high as +12 dB above zero with no distortion due to digital clipping.


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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/25 11:00:32 (permalink)
    I had this problem in sonar before, double check your sound driver you are using, try changing it from the one you are using to another one.


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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/25 13:37:48 (permalink)
    If nothing else works, see if you can dig up a volume pedal (maybe you have one lying around in a closet)?  An active one would affect the tone less than a passive one, but it's still something you might try.
     
    Practically speaking, if the volume knob is wired correctly, the setting of the knob should only affect the tone if the input impedance of whatever the guitar is plugged into is on the lower side, say, well below 100k Ohms. This might be true for certain guitar amps. But the Hi-Z input on most interfaces is much higher, like 1Meg or more, so they don't present a significant load on the guitar output, which translates to no electrical change when moving the volume pot (knob).
     
    You may already be aware of this, but our ears perceive tone differently at different sound pressure levels. So the tone of your guitar may indeed not be changing when you turn it down... it just sounds like it's changing. You can prove this to yourself: Have you tried lowering the volume knob so that you don't clip when you record, then gaining up the track to the same level to listen to it? If you haven't yet, you might be surprised!

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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/25 15:37:57 (permalink)
    I will give it a shot.   Thanks.  I tried another mic pre I had and ran into that and then into the line input and had no problems.  So I think it is the gain on the interface.   Either way I have a couple of things to try now.

    Thanks,
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    Re:Signal too hot 2011/10/25 21:24:11 (permalink)
    Hey Dave... where did you find that hardware V limiter? Looks interesting... I'm assuming it treats or supplies feedback differently in respect to the digital realm compared to analog and what we are used to with 'traditional' hardware limiters? Cheers.

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