Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?

Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?
 
 
We have almost every technology in SONAR X1 already but still not VST3? Some say there is no point to implement it, VST 2.4 have almost all VST3 features anyway..bla..bla..not true but anyway... 
 
Perhaps that was a valid point in the past but not today. 
Today more or less all major 3part manufaturies provide and support their plugins in VST3 format,  and the numbers that are in VST3-format increase just rapidly like x64. VST3 is here to stay whatever you like it or not. So I repeat my Question: 
 
When will I be be able to use VST3-format in SONAR X1? 
 

  
 
Best Regards
Freddie

Which 3rd party plugins are available as VST 3 only.

Freddie H


Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?
 
 
We have almost every technology in SONAR X1 already but still not VST3? Some say there is no point to implement it, VST 2.4 have almost all VST3 features anyway..bla..bla..not true but anyway... 
 
Perhaps that was a valid point in the past but not today. 
Today more or less all major 3part manufaturies provide and support their plugins in VST3 format,  and the numbers that are in VST3-format increase just rapidly like x64. VST3 is here to stay whatever you like it or not. So I repeat my Question: 
 
When will I be be able to use VST3-format in SONAR X1? 
 

  
 
Best Regards
Freddie

I must say it's sadly to see there is still no concrete and adequate official comments from the comany, Cakewalk....

Freddie H

Freddie H


Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?
 
 
We have almost every technology in SONAR X1 already but still not VST3? Some say there is no point to implement it, VST 2.4 have almost all VST3 features anyway..bla..bla..not true but anyway... 
 
Perhaps that was a valid point in the past but not today. 
Today more or less all major 3part manufaturies provide and support their plugins in VST3 format,  and the numbers that are in VST3-format increase just rapidly like x64. VST3 is here to stay whatever you like it or not. So I repeat my Question: 
 
When will I be be able to use VST3-format in SONAR X1? 
 

  
 
Best Regards
Freddie

I must say it's sadly to see there is still no concrete and adequate official comments from the comany, Cakewalk....

Didn't Noel say several months ago that there was nothing in the VT3 spec that makes the Bakers feel they are missing something?
I remember his prescence in the thread seemed concrete and official!
 
Brian

Freddie H

Freddie H


Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?
 
 
We have almost every technology in SONAR X1 already but still not VST3? Some say there is no point to implement it, VST 2.4 have almost all VST3 features anyway..bla..bla..not true but anyway... 
 
Perhaps that was a valid point in the past but not today. 
Today more or less all major 3part manufaturies provide and support their plugins in VST3 format,  and the numbers that are in VST3-format increase just rapidly like x64. VST3 is here to stay whatever you like it or not. So I repeat my Question: 
 
When will I be be able to use VST3-format in SONAR X1? 
 

  
 
Best Regards
Freddie

I must say it's sadly to see there is still no concrete and adequate official comments from the comany, Cakewalk....

no, Freddie, there have been concrete official comments from the company:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1504464
 

Beagle

Freddie H

Freddie H


Simple Question. When do we get VST3 implemented in SONAR X1?
 
 
We have almost every technology in SONAR X1 already but still not VST3? Some say there is no point to implement it, VST 2.4 have almost all VST3 features anyway..bla..bla..not true but anyway... 
 
Perhaps that was a valid point in the past but not today. 
Today more or less all major 3part manufaturies provide and support their plugins in VST3 format,  and the numbers that are in VST3-format increase just rapidly like x64. VST3 is here to stay whatever you like it or not. So I repeat my Question: 
 
When will I be be able to use VST3-format in SONAR X1? 
 

  
 
Best Regards
Freddie

I must say it's sadly to see there is still no concrete and adequate official comments from the comany, Cakewalk....

no, Freddie, there have been concrete official comments from the company:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1504464
 

Aha I see, thanks
 
Don't get me wrong I love the Pro Channel and use it everyday during mixing but still I don't see the major problems concerning add support for VST3 in SONAR X1 too? 
  
 
STUDIO ONE, Reaper, Record, FL STUDIO, Cubase, Nuendo and now also LOGIC PRO will have a birdge VST3 version for MAC.
All those DAW manufacturers has and are competent to add support for VST3 ... but not Cakewalk...?
 
Once more I urge because of the compatibility reasons adding of VST3 in SONAR.
 
 
 
 
Best Regards
Freddie

Freddie H

mudgel


So which ones are also VST 3?

WAVES
 
SPL
 
Solid State Logic Duende Native
 
SoftTube 
 
Native Instruments
 
CELEMONY Melodyne
 
Steinberg
 
UAD
 
ARTURIA
 
VSL
 
iZotope 
  
VirSyn 
 
Fabfilter
 
MeldaProduction
 
 
and many others..

They may ALSO be vst3 but the ones cited are not (with the possible exception of Steinberg) vst3 only. So why should Cakewalk waste resources on implementing vst3? We need a beating dead horse emoticon here.

I understand it's 3 years old.  that's the latest info we have from cakewalk, so unless they have changed their philosophy (which is possible), that's all we have to go on.

mike_mccue


  Steinberg has been left in the dust.

Just as they were with DirectX plugins? Um, no.
 
KEv

Beagle


I understand it's 3 years old.  that's the latest info we have from cakewalk, so unless they have changed their philosophy (which is possible), that's all we have to go on.

Fair enough. There have been many threads just this past year, and it appears the Cakewalk stand has not changed.
The only thing I wanted to point out was that VST3 has gained a lot of ground since 2008, both from vendor support and DAW support.

codamedia

Beagle


I understand it's 3 years old.  that's the latest info we have from cakewalk, so unless they have changed their philosophy (which is possible), that's all we have to go on.

Fair enough. There have been many threads just this past year, and it appears the Cakewalk stand has not changed.
The only thing I wanted to point out was that VST3 has gained a lot of ground since 2008, both from vendor support and DAW support.

and due to that they may change their philosophy, it is possible.  I would like to have had vst3 support when I owned my motif xs because the plugin was vst3 only.  but it didn't happen and I wasn't about to learn and invest in cubase just for that plugin.
 
but until cake says otherwise...

I can say with fair certainty that if CW impliments VST 3 in Sonar someone will then start complaining that they wasted time developing something with no great benefits when long standing bugs have gone unfixed, blah, etc........

As a matter of fact, Logic doesn't support VST. At all. On the Mac platform, VST isn't as omnipresent. Digital Performer doesn't support it. Pro Tools doesn't support it. IMHO, the good thing w/ the fact that Apple have their own DAW (Logic) is that they were able to push their open standard (Audio Unit) and get manufacturers to adopt it. I remember when Cakewalk was pushing DX and WDM and still refused to adopt VST and ASIO - we were told to be patient and that the DX\WDM solution was a "much better solution". They did manage to push it surprisingly far. But unfortunately, they couldn't force others to follow. Likely, they'll probably include VST3 sometime in the future.

 
 
A voice of reason... you are likely "spot on" with this post. I think it will depend on the success of third party plugs for the PC, unless I completely misunderstand.
In any case, you make a good reasonabe point.
 
J

No its not "Spot on" infact its quite the contrary. If you follow news closly Apple and LOGIC PRO will soon implement VST3-standard to thier platform in OSX Lion...

 
I should have a little more clear... I was referrring to this part of Rain's post, "I remember when Cakewalk was pushing DX and WDM and still refused to adopt VST and ASIO - we were told to be patient and that the DX\WDM solution was a "much better solution". They did manage to push it surprisingly far. But unfortunately, they couldn't force others to follow.

Likely, they'll probably include VST3 sometime in the future."  Especially this last sentence if PC does not attract third parties like they want.
 
I know nothing about Apple products and plan to keep it that way. I have absoutely no use for anything Apple.
 
Sorry for the confusion!
 
Julien

I'm actually surprise that Marketing hasn't stepped in by now and said "we must support VST3".  Technically it might not be compelling, but from a marketing perspective you would think that stating you support "VST 2 and 3" looks good...

I currently don't have a pressing need for it, I just don't want to get to a point where there is a VST3 only plug that I "must have".  At that point, I may have to look at the other DAWs that support VST3.