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2011/03/16 20:09:51 (permalink)

Simple question

I just recently got Sonar 8 and all I want to do is add vocals over an instrumental track but everytime I import the track to the grid it is slowed down... Is there a way to turn off the tempo in Sonar and just go free handed? It does it with the vocals too, I'll sing on beat, and after it is done recording, it will no longer be lined up.

What do i need to do? 
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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/16 20:40:46 (permalink)
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    I just recently got Sonar 8 and all I want to do is add vocals over an instrumental track but everytime I import the track to the grid it is slowed down... Is there a way to turn off the tempo in Sonar and just go free handed? It does it with the vocals too, I'll sing on beat, and after it is done recording, it will no longer be lined up.

    What do i need to Io? 


    I think you might need to give a bit more information.  When you say you want add vocals to an imported track, I assume this is a track done by someone else, or a commercial wav file.  In either event, it might be that you need to know the tempo of the track and open a project in Sonar, set that tempo, then import your track.  To the best of my knowledge, each Sonar project must have a tempo.  There are other things you could do such as stretching audio using Audio Snap; however I think your best bet is to determine the tempo of your accompanying track and use that tempo for the project.  Re: the vocals explain what you mean.  If you are singing to the metronome beat during record it should playback fine.  The problem might have to do entirely with the tempo of your instrumental track.

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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/16 21:05:32 (permalink)
    I'm sorry for not providing enough information. I'm just extremely new to this program. I have an instrumental track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0vsZXf8) that I'm adding vocals over through my Blue Snowball USB mic. When I import the audio file to the program, it is extremely distorted, and sounds like it's getting stretched out. I was trying to mute the met in order to just sing to the song, and after I record it on time with the track, it gets realligned and is completely off tempo from the song. Is there no way to simply turn off this "auto alligning" or whatever it is called that sets a tempo to the song? Why can't i just not go by tempo, and go by feel?
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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/16 22:40:44 (permalink)
    no, the problem is not sonar's "tempo" or "auto aligning"  the problem is your USB mic.  you're trying to use two different soundcards at the same time and they have different clocks.  the usb mic is a soundcard - one way, but still a soundcard as far as drivers for windows and sonar are concerned.  so is your outgoing soundcard whatever that is.  and those are 2 different cards with 2 different clocks.  when it 'readjusts" after you'd done that's because it's readjusting the display to match the changes between the two clocks.

    this can't be overcome with 2 different clocks.  my best advice is to sell the usb mic and get a real soundcard and a real mic.

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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/17 14:17:56 (permalink)
    Could he (or she) record from the USB soundcard into windows, then import the resulting wav file into Sonar?

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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/17 14:39:11 (permalink)
    if he/she is using the same soundcard for monitoring/tracking during recording with the USB mic then he/she will get the same (or similar) results regardless of the software program used to record.  the problem's not the software, it's the hardware - the 2 different clocks.

    there may be some difference better or worse using other software to record, but it's just going to be a delta from his current problem, not a fix.
     
    SOME USB mics are now coming with a headphone jack.  if you have a headphone jack on the mic, then you can use it as the ONLY soundcard - send the output in sonar to the headphone output in the mic, plug headphones into the mic and sing into the mic and that will solve the problem. 
    post edited by Beagle - 2011/03/17 14:40:45

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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/17 14:59:29 (permalink)
    I have two soundcards in my computer. I guess I'm just confused on why the track that i import sounds distroted even when I dont use my mic. Why does it sound like the tempo is stretched out?... even if I don't record anything with the mic, or even set it as the input device.
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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/17 15:02:51 (permalink)
    Is there anyway someone could give me a step-by-step (starting with opening the program), on how i would record one vocal track over one .mp3 instrumental? I might just be opening something or setting something wrong.
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    Re:Simple question 2011/03/17 15:05:01 (permalink)
    what do you have listed as your PLAYBACK DEVICE in OPTIONS>AUDIO?

    if you have two soundcards and you're using MME or WDM driver mode then both soundcards can show up in the drivers.  if you are using soundcard "A" as your output in sonar and that's what you're listening to on your speakers/headphones but you have soundcard "B" listed as your PLAYBACK DEVICE (which is kind of misleading - what it means is that it is being use for the master playback clock) then you will have mismatch of clocks.

    also, if you have imported a file which did not get converted from a particular sample rate into the correct sample rate of your project, then this will cause that problem as well.  sonar is supposed to convert the sample rates on import, but I know there are instances where it does not do this. 

    right click on the file that you are importing (in windows explorer) and look at the properties of the file.  what is the sample rate?
    post edited by Beagle - 2011/03/17 15:24:36

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