Simulate guitar amp feedback?

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2010/06/15 17:29:42 (permalink)

Simulate guitar amp feedback?

I just recorded a distorted guitar part (microphone on a speaker cabinet), and I'm wondering if it's possible to add something that sounds like guitar/amp feedback to the end of a sustained note.  I'm not that experienced with electric guitars, so I wasn't going to try this while recording.  Plus you'd probably have to play louder than I can get away with here. 

Any of you guitar experts have an idea for simulating this effect?  Thanks.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/15 17:40:45 (permalink)
    Actually it is alot easier to do this as you are doing with a mic.  It depends on your pickup on the guitar, if they are a Highoutput type and depending on how you are setting your preamp for the distortion.  Plus, if you are close to your speaker cabinet that would probably do the trick.  It might be all 3 of these ideas or 2 of them.  Try it out.  To do this with a plugin would not sound right in the end.  The only distortion pedal that was made to create feedback was from Boss or Peavy...........I'm guessing?  you could actually press farther down on the pedal and it would feedback easliy.  I don't know if they make this pedal anymore.  I tried that pedal out back in 1988.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/15 18:42:29 (permalink)
    The easiest way to get a guitar to feed back is to place the headstock on the speaker cabinet and let it go.

    You can screw around with the tone or distortion to get it to ring on the notes that fit your tune.


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/15 19:45:06 (permalink)
    Softube makes a VST to simulate guitar feedback called "Acoustic Feedback" - see the details here: http://www.softube.se/aco....php?p=af_introduction

    Not sure I would pay $99.00 just to get feedback, but I guess if you really want it and have a need for it :)

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/15 19:49:16 (permalink)
    I'm pretty happy with the guitar part I've got, so I'm going to try just recording the last note and see if I can get the feedback I want.  Your "headstock on the speaker cabinet" idea sounds like a good trick, Mike.  If it works, I can crossfade the old and new parts.  Thanks.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/16 05:02:03 (permalink)
    Or you could fit one of these to your guitar:

    http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=fernandes+sustainer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=nZIYTKeaE5qJ4ga7xN2nDA&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQrQQwAA

    In fact, any old guitar will do - you don't have to hack your boutique Les Paul or Strat to do it.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/16 05:37:10 (permalink)
    Could V-Vocal (or Melodyne, if you have it) play a role in this? Stretching the note and creating harmonies? Just guessing.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/16 08:36:11 (permalink)
    The best way is to make physical contact or place the guitar close to the speaker..... it also helps if the note is close to a resonant freq... some notes feed back better than others...

    The sweet ones start out... increase in volume, and then smoothly transition to a harmonic...all while maintaining control.....


    I don't know how this would be accomplished with a guitar sim, since there is not a physical feedback loop normally like you have with an amp & speaker.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/16 09:28:53 (permalink)
    You might also want to check some soft synths (including freebies)  or hardware synths.  Often there are electric guitar feedback patches that you can blend with the original guitar for interesting effect.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/17 11:00:32 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the suggestions.  I managed to get some feedback going by holding the guitar so the pickups were about two inches from the speaker cabinet.  Fortunately all I needed was one sustained note, so I didn't have to worry about trying to play in that position.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/17 11:40:26 (permalink)
    did you ever place the headstock on the cabinet?

    here's demonstration feedback composition done on a 3 watt amp using the headstock technique:

    http://harmoniccycle.com/...ngles/Dunkirk_128k.mp3


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/17 12:18:53 (permalink)
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    did you ever place the headstock on the cabinet?
    That sample is pretty cool.  I must have been doing something wrong, because I couldn't get anything good going with the headstock on the cabinet.  I tried different parts of the cabinet and coming at it from different angles.  Maybe I just didn't have the amp cranked loud enough?  It was "bedroom" loud, but not performance loud.

    Can you tell me more about how this is done?  Thanks.


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/18 09:05:28 (permalink)
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    did you ever place the headstock on the cabinet?

    here's demonstration feedback composition done on a 3 watt amp using the headstock technique:

    http://harmoniccycle.com/hc/sounds/mp3/singles/Dunkirk_128k.mp3


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/18 23:01:00 (permalink)
    Crg,  :-)

    Hi Henkejs, if you tried it and it didn't work it indicate sto me that your speaker cabinets must be very solid.

    That's a good thing... but seemingly makes my advice something that doesn't apply to your situation.

    Most speaker cabs vibrate enough to send it thru to the neck... with my little guitar amp the cabinet vibrates enough to get that weird sound I posted a link too. :-)

    I just was hoping that you had tried... I'm glad you did... try again some day with another speaker cabinet.

    all the best,
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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/19 08:12:52 (permalink)
    I'm sure you could fake it by running a TTS synth track (maybe a cheezy "spacey" sound), and run it through guitar effects? Although you'd also need to change EQ settings throughout the feedback if it lasts long, it doesn't often hold a clean pitch from what i've seen.
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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/19 16:21:44 (permalink)
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    I just was hoping that you had tried... I'm glad you did... try again some day with another speaker cabinet.

    I've got a cheap little solid-state practice amp I don't normally record with, but it might be worth a try when I get a chance.  I'll let you know if it works. . . .


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/21 15:57:07 (permalink)
    get an EBOW.

    track another part, play the ebow, blend it in.

    voila.


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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/30 05:56:12 (permalink)
    Many ways to achieve feedback, and many kinds of fb.  The sample mike linked is a muddy, clipped type.  Hollow body headstock on amp front is nice.  I have an old sustain stomper that's beautiful.  In the Amplitude VST there's a decent feedback preset uses a sustain pedal.  Other than that, you need access to either a marshall stack or 2nd best, a fender twin.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/06/30 14:06:46 (permalink)
    did you try the ebow?

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/07/01 12:34:41 (permalink)
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    did you try the ebow?


    No, trying to make do with what I have.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.

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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/07/02 17:37:55 (permalink)
    An alternative that works for me (when it's too quiet to coax real feedback from the instrument) is to play a harmonic an octave or two above the note I'm sustaining and record that. Then it can be crossfaded in over the original note. The tone is usually pure enough that you can repeat it a few times (again with crossfades on the overlaps) if you need to sustain it for longer. (Or use an Ebow for the purpose.)
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    Re:Simulate guitar amp feedback? 2010/07/02 18:28:40 (permalink)
    "The sample mike linked is a muddy, clipped type.  Hollow body headstock on amp front is nice."

    Just for the record... it was a solid body with the tone knob rolled off. :-)


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