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2012/12/10 15:31:02 (permalink)

Since I own them I thought....

Why not use them at least once?

So my plan for 2013 (if we're still around) is to do a full song each in both R*E*A*P*E*R and S*T*U*D*I*O**O*N*E**2.5.

I have no plans to switch DAWs, just want to see what my learning curve would be.

For R*E*A*P*E*R, my friend Tom is a MacHead and has never owned a DAW and is thinking of getting into it for at least rehearsing prior to recording in my studio. So at least I would gain enough knowledge on the product to get him going and to answer questions he may have. I hope the two UIs and controls are not that different. 
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 15:35:53 (permalink)
    I tried R****R, but it just never clicked w/ me.

    S1 is very easy to use, and this new update brings you swipe comping that's pretty much as good as Logic's. It's pretty hard to go back to the old way of comping once you've tasted that.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 15:38:04 (permalink)
    What little I tried in R*R was the fact that a track is a track and/or a bus and you can route anything to anything. I want to give that a real go if I can.
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 15:40:12 (permalink)
    That's one of the things I'd miss in Sonar, indeed.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 15:44:43 (permalink)
    bapu


    Why not use them at least once?

    So my plan for 2013 (if we're still around) is to do a full song each in both R*E*A*P*E*R and S*T*U*D*I*O**O*N*E**2.5.

    I have no plans to switch DAWs, just want to see what my learning curve would be.

    For R*E*A*P*E*R, my friend Tom is a MacHead and has never owned a DAW and is thinking of getting into it for at least rehearsing prior to recording in my studio. So at least I would gain enough knowledge on the product to get him going and to answer questions he may have. I hope the two UIs and controls are not that different. 



    I think you should keep it real.




    Buy yourself a Mac and teach Tom how to use Garage Band.


    Just sayin.






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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2012/12/10 15:49:37


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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 15:54:18 (permalink)
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    Why not use them at least once?
    But you'll ruin their unused-mint-collectible-value in the process!

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 16:13:02 (permalink)

    swipe comping

     
    Can you explain what this is exactly Rain?
     
    I use various comping methods depending on what I'm using but I'm not getting what 'swipe' comping actually is.
     
    Being as I use S1 for certain things I might be doing it already and not know.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 16:43:14 (permalink)
    Basically, you just swipe across the parts you want to hear from each take. No need to solo, mute, splice anything. The comp builds itself.  When you extend or shorten a selection on one take, the other selections from other takes are automatically adjusted. It's like having an assistant doing all the dirty work for you - you just pick the parts of the performance you like.

    Here's a very basic preview - I picked the shortest vid, but it gives an idea. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1Zdmn9jc0

    Logic also automatically save playlists/comps which can be easily accessed via a menu on the comp folder track. Makes auditioning alternate comps a breeze. Don't know if S1 does that.





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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 16:52:39 (permalink)
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    Basically, you just swipe across the parts you want to hear from each take. No need to solo, mute, splice anything. The comp builds itself.  When you extend or shorten a selection on one take, the other selections from other takes are automatically adjusted. It's like having an assistant doing all the dirty work for you - you just pick the parts of the performance you like.

    Here's a very basic preview - I picked the shortest vid, but it gives an idea. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1Zdmn9jc0

    Logic also automatically save playlists/comps which can be easily accessed via a menu on the comp folder track. Makes auditioning alternate comps a breeze. Don't know if S1 does that.


    that is pretty cool!  I'd like that feature!

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 16:53:11 (permalink)
    So the one thing that S1 improved w/ the last release is that you don't have to click on the selection and "promote" it to comp - like in Logic, it's all done automatically, in real time.

    Playlisting/alt comps may still put Logic ahead, I'll have to check if S1 has that too.




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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 16:55:16 (permalink)
    that would save me a ton of time with vocal takes!

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:00:37 (permalink)
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    that would save me a ton of time with vocal takes!

    What are vocal takes?


    Oh, you mean when I use a mic and let those "sounds" come out my mouf.
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:04:04 (permalink)
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    Beagle


    that would save me a ton of time with vocal takes!

    What are vocal takes?


    Oh, you mean when I use a mic and let those "sounds" come out my mouf.

    and TWELVE is the number, my friends!  it took TWELVE posts in this thread before the serious subject was derailed by the OP!!! 
     
     
    (I was going to post the first reply and say something smart like "hehehe....bapu said he had a friend! - BUT I refrained to see how long it would take for someone else to say something "unfunny"!  )

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:23:30 (permalink)
    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R
     
    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.
     

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:24:16 (permalink)
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    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R
     
    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.
     

    Shhhh,it happens.
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:30:22 (permalink)
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    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R

    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.


    Shhhh,it R*E*A*P*E*R happens.


    fixed

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:31:51 (permalink)
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    Basically, you just swipe across the parts you want to hear from each take. No need to solo, mute, splice anything. The comp builds itself.  When you extend or shorten a selection on one take, the other selections from other takes are automatically adjusted. It's like having an assistant doing all the dirty work for you - you just pick the parts of the performance you like.

    Here's a very basic preview - I picked the shortest vid, but it gives an idea. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1Zdmn9jc0

    Logic also automatically save playlists/comps which can be easily accessed via a menu on the comp folder track. Makes auditioning alternate comps a breeze. Don't know if S1 does that.
    Cool, I haven't bothered with updating it yet but I'll check it out when I do.
     
    Thanks for the info, it's just that different apps give all these things different names but yes I can see why that method is cool.
     
    I currently go this way for most of my audio comping which I guess is similar and it's linked to the automatic generation of take lanes whilst looping through a section (or the entire song).
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c326DwEDUoc
     
    It looks pretty similar to me.
     
    I would think that X2 is doing that now too, I didn't get chance to check it out on my trial but now it has take lanes I would imagine the comping has gone the same way.
     
    I can't confirm that though. I haven't done any comping in Sonar for so long, since Record (now Reason 6.5) came out, that I didn't think to check it out on the demo. 
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/12/10 17:48:15

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:45:32 (permalink)
    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R
     
    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.
     


    Okay, okay I give in. What is it that the censor filter doesn't like about R*E*A*P*E*R -I can't work it out.
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:47:46 (permalink)
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    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R

    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.



    Okay, okay I give in. What is it that the censor filter doesn't like about R*E*A*P*E*R -I can't work it out.

    None that I know of but I imagine some CW admin building a bot to fine the word without the asterisks and shutting down the fred. 
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:47:54 (permalink)
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    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R

    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.



    Okay, okay I give in. What is it that the censor filter doesn't like about R*E*A*P*E*R -I can't work it out.

    nothing.
     
     
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:49:31 (permalink)
    Beagle


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    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R

    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.



    Okay, okay I give in. What is it that the censor filter doesn't like about R*E*A*P*E*R -I can't work it out.

    nothing.
     
     
    Reaper.   REAPER  ReApEr
     
    REEEEEEEAAAAPPPEEEERRR


    Everybody knowed it but Beagle sezzit.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:49:55 (permalink)
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    Rain


    Basically, you just swipe across the parts you want to hear from each take. No need to solo, mute, splice anything. The comp builds itself.  When you extend or shorten a selection on one take, the other selections from other takes are automatically adjusted. It's like having an assistant doing all the dirty work for you - you just pick the parts of the performance you like.

    Here's a very basic preview - I picked the shortest vid, but it gives an idea. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1Zdmn9jc0

    Logic also automatically save playlists/comps which can be easily accessed via a menu on the comp folder track. Makes auditioning alternate comps a breeze. Don't know if S1 does that.
    Cool, I haven't bothered with updating it yet but I'll check it out when I do.
     
    Thanks for the info, it's just that different apps give all these things different names but yes I can see why that method is cool.
     
    I currently go this way for most of my audio comping which I guess is similar and it's linked to the automatic generation of take lanes whilst looping through a section (or the entire song).
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c326DwEDUoc
     
    It looks pretty similar to me.
     
    I would think that X2 is doing that now too, I didn't get chance to check it out on my trial but now it has take lanes I would imagine the comping has gone the same way.
     
    I can't confirm that though. I haven't done any comping in Sonar for so long, since Record (now Reason 6.5) came out, that I didn't think to check it out on the demo. 


    sonar's take lanes don't automatically comp up like logic does in that video using the swipe.   you could do something similar in sonar by muting clips, tho.
    post edited by Beagle - 2012/12/10 17:53:24

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:52:28 (permalink)
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    Zonno


    You know what?
    I just did a forum search with the search string R*E*A*P*E*R

    I didn't expect a hit.
    Now I ended up with this fred.



    Okay, okay I give in. What is it that the censor filter doesn't like about R*E*A*P*E*R -I can't work it out.

    nothing.
     
     
    Reaper.   REAPER  ReApEr
     
    REEEEEEEAAAAPPPEEEERRR


    Everybody knowed it but Beagle sezzit.

    I'm a rebel!
     
     
    a REAPER rebel!!!

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:53:06 (permalink)
     Since I own them I thought....why not use them at least once?

    I own an appendix, but in 61 years I've never felt a need to put it to use. In talking with others, it seems to only come up in the context of an uninstall.


    All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:56:05 (permalink)
    Looks similar indeed. The one difference - no biggie - I see is is that you have to use the razor tool and enable crossfades, whereas in Logic you are automatically in comp mode by default, so no switching tools.

    Another thing which may be different is that merely clicking can select. For example, say you've swiped/selected from bar 1 to 4 of the first take. Simply clicking the same region on another take will make that the selected/audible selection. 

    So you can effectively chop up your track into short segments and audition each take of that segment w/ one click. It's "real-time" at it's best, imho.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 17:56:24 (permalink)
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    Why not use them at least once?

    So my plan for 2013 (if we're still around) is to do a full song each in both R*E*A*P*E*R and S*T*U*D*I*O**O*N*E**2.5.

    I have no plans to switch DAWs, just want to see what my learning curve would be.

    For R*E*A*P*E*R, my friend Tom is a MacHead and has never owned a DAW and is thinking of getting into it for at least rehearsing prior to recording in my studio. So at least I would gain enough knowledge on the product to get him going and to answer questions he may have. I hope the two UIs and controls are not that different. 


    Before reading the rest of the fred I have to ask, Why Bother? All it is different command protocals and GUI configurations.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 18:04:21 (permalink)
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    bapu


    Why not use them at least once?

    So my plan for 2013 (if we're still around) is to do a full song each in both R*E*A*P*E*R and S*T*U*D*I*O**O*N*E**2.5.

    I have no plans to switch DAWs, just want to see what my learning curve would be.

    For R*E*A*P*E*R, my friend Tom is a MacHead and has never owned a DAW and is thinking of getting into it for at least rehearsing prior to recording in my studio. So at least I would gain enough knowledge on the product to get him going and to answer questions he may have. I hope the two UIs and controls are not that different. 


    Before reading the rest of the fred I have to ask, Why Bother? All it is different command protocals and GUI configurations.

    Yup. But I did pay for them, and it seems like a good idea to help out my friend Tom (in the case of  R*E*A*P*E*R).
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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 18:09:01 (permalink)
    Yup. But I did pay for them, and it seems like a good idea to help out my friend Tom (in the case of R*E*A*P*E*R).

     
    It never hurts to learn some more techniques Bapu. If I had the extra brain cells I'd look into it.

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 18:09:04 (permalink)
    Being fluent w/ a second DAW never hurts. As much as I like Logic, switching to Pro Tools when it's time to mix seems to help me shift gears, so oddly enough, even if I'm much more comfortable w/ Logic, I often mix faster and better in PT (even if I spend a lot of time cursing how convoluted it is in some areas by comparison).

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    Re:Since I own them I thought.... 2012/12/10 18:11:41 (permalink)
    Oh, and in terms of bread and butter plug-ins, S1 is pretty awesome. 

    The gate has got to be my absolute favorite. The EQ - I wish they sold that one as a plug-in. The compressor and the channel strip are also very good. And the essential binaural pan is there.

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