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Sine sweep
Where do your bass frequencies disappear? Now think back to how many times you twiddled with the sub-60Hz range trying to get the bottom right. No surprise that it was difficult; you couldn't hear it! (Try this on your favorite headphones, too.)
How much musical information exists down there in the first place is another topic for discussion. Yes, the fundamental frequency of the low E string on a bass is 41.2 Hz, but there's a good chance you've never heard that, either. (BTW, on my own system, which includes a sub, things drop off pretty rapidly below 50 Hz and are completely gone about 42 Hz.)
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/07 13:08:15
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bitflipper How much musical information exists down there in the first place is another topic for discussion. Yes, the fundamental frequency of the low E string on a bass is 41.2 Hz
Just what exactly are you implying about us bass players here?
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/07 13:14:13
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bitflipper How much musical information exists down there in the first place is another topic for discussion. Yes, the fundamental frequency of the low E string on a bass is 41.2 Hz
Just what exactly are you implying about us bass players here? 
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/07 13:28:32
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Listening on an old pair of Beats (by Dre) at work, and it completely dropped off at 19 Hz (the tone started to vibrate around 26-27 Hz).
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/07 18:38:23
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Bapu only needs to get down to Am anyway...
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 09:46:38
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bitflipper How much musical information exists down there in the first place is another topic for discussion. Yes, the fundamental frequency of the low E string on a bass is 41.2 Hz
Just what exactly are you implying about us bass players here? 
That we can't play after we hit 42 years old? Nahhhh ... can't be right!
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 10:43:57
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Record low "E" on a bass, then apply a steep LPF at 60 Hz so that all of its harmonics are suppressed. If you have any bass left at all, you'll probably have to turn it up by 20-30 dB to hear it. Now do the opposite: apply a steep HPF at 80 Hz so only the fundamental is removed. Surprise - the bass sounds pretty good, even with its lowest frequencies gone.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 10:49:00
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The test in the OP is a little deceiving, because it's a constant amplitude all the way down. That doesn't happen in music productions because the characteristics of human hearing require you to favor the low end. Another potential problem is that your speakers may start to distort, and when that happens you think you're hearing 40 Hz when in fact it's the third harmonic you're hearing. Play back the test at a low-enough volume to avoid harmonic distortion.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 10:57:30
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By slowly increasing the volume as the freq dropped, I was able to clearly discern the signal down to ~40hz in both headphones and my sub-equipped monitoring system. At 41-40, the rolloff was pretty steep. If at some point what I was hearing shifted from fundamental to harmonic, the shift was cross-faded extremely well
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 10:58:54
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What I "thought" I heard: tone down to the high 40s, then more of a slight rumble from mid 40s down to about 37 Hz, then nada. Edit: And I thought I heard a dip in volume around the crossover frequency of my monitors. Gotta check that!
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 13:26:56
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bitflipper Record low "E" on a bass, then apply a steep LPF at 60 Hz so that all of its harmonics are suppressed. If you have any bass left at all, you'll probably have to turn it up by 20-30 dB to hear it. Now do the opposite: apply a steep HPF at 80 Hz so only the fundamental is removed. Surprise - the bass sounds pretty good, even with its lowest frequencies gone.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 17:17:30
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With this kind of test, you have to take what you hear with a grain of salt. Some of the variances you hear are the result of room resonances, not anomalies in your speakers' frequency response. If I boost the low end like I might in a recording, my subs are clearly capable of reproducing 30 Hz (the lowest I've ever tested). But to hear 30 Hz as loud as 1,000 Hz it has to be 10,000 times louder. At that point, everything in the room is vibrating!
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 17:19:51
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OK, I made up that 10,000x number. Before Drew comes along to correct me, it's only about 1,000.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 18:40:32
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 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 18:42:27
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drewfx1


Can you go ahead and do the math for a few examples for us slow types?
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 19:11:05
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drewfx1


Can you go ahead and do the math for a few examples for us slow types?
Soitenly: The lines show how loud frequencies have to be to sound equally loud to us as 1kHz does at the number listed for each line. IOW, it's basically the frequency response of our hearing. There are different curves because at different SPL levels the sensitivity of our ears to different frequencies changes. The unit used for equal loudness contours is called a "phon" which calibrates the listening level in dB SPL to 1kHz, so 80 phon basically means something like "frequency response so that all frequencies sound as loud to us as 1kHz does at 80 dB SPL". The line at the bottom shows the threshold of our hearing at different frequencies - you will sometimes see the abbreviation "ATH" which stands for Absolute Threshold of Hearing. So lets say we are listening to that 1kHz at 80 dB SPL, we look at the 80 phon line - it shows that 30Hz needs to be 110 dB SPL to sound equally loud to us. Since 110 - 80 = 30, the 30Hz needs to be 30dB louder. Since a dB is a logarithmic expression of a ratio, we can do a little math to convert it to a ratio and see whether "it's only about 1,000". The formula is: 10 to the (dB's/20)th power = ratio so 10 to the (30/20)th power = 10 ^ 1.5 = ~31.62 So at 80 phon, a 30Hz tone has to be ~31.62 times as loud to sound as loud as 1kHz. And I didn't spell it all out in the first place because I figured Dave would get the joke.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/08 20:43:22
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I can hear it down to about 23-24Hz on my ATH-M50's.
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Re: Sine sweep
2016/03/09 08:07:11
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sharke I can hear it down to about 23-24Hz on my ATH-M50's.
Nice
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