Philip
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Singing When You Have a Chronic Cough ...
... Flu, Cold, COPD, etc. Vox has always been the greatest/favorite instrument for me. I tried vocal warm-ups today (and days gone by) and this vox continues to sound like a frog from hades. I've been battling this winter crud for weeks and wonder if any of you enthusiastic singers have dealt with it. (It seems I get it worse than most!) One gal told me "pure honey" helps. Any vox ideas (besides the family doc's steroids, antibiotics, anti-tussives, hydro-codone, etc.)
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Dave King
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 12:15:43
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I believe I had something similar this winter - a cold that lasted for weeks. It really messed up my voice, but luckily I had very few gigs booked. Heading into the first gig following the cold, I was unsure if I was going to be able to sing for (the usual) 3 hours or so. Surprisingly, I was able to do it. I think the beer helped!
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 12:25:00
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"Doc....it sounds like sh*t when I do THIS...." Doc says...."Don't do THAT." That's my advice too. If it hurts or doesn't sound "right"....stop doing it. Singing through or around a cold could have disastrous results that might last a lifetime. I'm a living example of that....my voice has NEVER been the same as it was before the winter of 1989, when I sang through a terrible cold for an entire season - simply because "the band was booked". I regret that decision. I should have gone to a throat specialist. And, I suggest you do - if your voice is important to you.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 13:18:57
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Thanks, Dave, Skullsession. I can continue to sing in these 'higher (non-chest) registers'; but, once I come down below B4 (I frog-out); last summer (before the crud) ... I remember some problems below B4, too, just not as noticeable. 'Guess I'll continue to go easy, for now and play more guitar and keyboard instead. My whole family has had the crud (6 of us); the kids seem to do alot better (of course they sing head register and falsetto-ish anyway) I'm not doing real gigs now, just informal recordings and samplings. But, I'll definitely heed your warnings, Skullsession, based on your experience. I'll try to remember the flu shots next season.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 13:42:53
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On the other hand, you could be the next Tom Waits!
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 14:14:08
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Im struggling with this right now also. Just take a break. Its hard to do but your voice needs it. Work on instrumentals......
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 18:17:33
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for copd - the inhalers plus adjuctants for exacerbations for chronic cough - simple linctus, codeine linctus, methadone... these are just the pharmacological aids. singing itself will help...
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 19:01:54
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quote]"Doc....it sounds like sh*t when I do THIS...." Doc says...."Don't do THAT." That's my advice too. If it hurts or doesn't sound "right"....stop doing it. Singing through or around a cold could have disastrous results that might last a lifetime. I'm a living example of that....my voice has NEVER been the same as it was before the winter of 1989, when I sang through a terrible cold for an entire season - simply because "the band was booked". I regret that decision. I should have gone to a throat specialist. And, I suggest you do - if your voice is important to you. Scary avatar, but excellent advice.  [
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Philip
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/03 23:49:09
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Dave, MGH, Chin, MC, When I met with Skull's intense Avatar, I knew I'd best follow his clinical advice and/or just keep my singing above B4. Mark, I realize singing helps ... but only for the non-chesty registers (in my case). My feigned-falsettos are actually better, today, after warm ups and playing with the keyboard and guitar. "simple linctus, codeine linctus, methadone" ... I'll see if I can discover some "simple linctus". The gentle-narcotics (like hydro-codone) destroy my *spiritual vibe* ... making me sound too drunkish ... though they help my cough alot. Thanks guys for your thoughts, sympathy, and/or prayers in this.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/04 06:46:14
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Dave King quote]"Doc....it sounds like sh*t when I do THIS...." Doc says...."Don't do THAT." That's my advice too. If it hurts or doesn't sound "right"....stop doing it. Singing through or around a cold could have disastrous results that might last a lifetime. I'm a living example of that....my voice has NEVER been the same as it was before the winter of 1989, when I sang through a terrible cold for an entire season - simply because "the band was booked". I regret that decision. I should have gone to a throat specialist. And, I suggest you do - if your voice is important to you. Scary avatar, but excellent advice.  [ Right...just imagine what my avatar wants to do to your avatar....
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/04 16:54:04
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Lot's of Lemon juice Phillip. Hot, mixed with water 1:1. Then lots of minerals and water. Run through the tones high to low-low to high over and over. The shape of your pipes has been damaged and you have deposits of congestion. You have to retrain your pipes and heal them.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/04 17:29:13
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I've never bought into the lemon juice "theory" (it's a citric acid which is an astringent)...It's never worked for me...A "trick" I learned many years ago when I was in Nashville was was to sip on a cup of hot black coffee (no sugar, no cream) with a tablespoon of cooking oil stirred in...The heat from the coffee opens the pores in your throat & vocal cords and the oil provides a soothing lubrication to the dryness that exists... Granted, if the throat condition is serious or recurring for lengthy periods you should see a specialist...On the other hand, Nancy Wilson (Heart) recorded the lead vocals to "These Dreams" while suffering from a terrible cold...If you listen carefully you can hear the raspiness of her hitting the high notes in lines such as "Every moment I'm awake".... Rest is good for the throat, don't push it if you don't have to...If it's a song that really stretches you normal range, work on something else for a few days...Keep in mind, if you should do something to damage your vocal cords there's very little that can be done to repair the damage (much the same as eardrums)...
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/04 21:34:02
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Thanks Crg ... I'll chase it with water of course. Caffeine is also an astringent ... especially with me ... I'm forced to drink a lot of water after my coffee before singing takes. Its inspiring to know Nancy could get through it (as Papa perceived).
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 07:55:40
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Just make sure your vocal chords remain hydrated while you sing. There is a product called Vocalzone - these are licorice based and are fantastic to keep your voice "lubricated". Gets rid of phlem, totally natural, a great primer for the voice.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 09:36:08
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papa2005 ...A "trick" I learned many years ago when I was in Nashville was was to sip on a cup of hot black coffee (no sugar, no cream) with a tablespoon of cooking oil stirred in... How on earth did you discover this mixture, Papa?  I mean, what gave you the idea to put some oil into your coffee in first place? Still, I gotta try this today as my voice shows similar symptoms ... Heinz.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 11:20:24
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the only way to sing well, is to be healthy. unless you incorporate the froggy cough sound into the mix, and call it 'artist's interpretation'
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 11:54:40
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A honey and glycerol mixture (nothing else) always does wonders for my throat if I'm feeling under the weather.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 18:53:36
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There is a product called Vocalzone - these are licorice based and are fantastic to keep your voice "lubricated". Yeah licorice is great. I can remember being sick as a kid with a cold and my mom would give me Good 'n Plenty candies to suck on because they contained licorice. Worked like a charm.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/05 19:36:03
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airmeki papa2005 ...A "trick" I learned many years ago when I was in Nashville was was to sip on a cup of hot black coffee (no sugar, no cream) with a tablespoon of cooking oil stirred in... How on earth did you discover this mixture, Papa? I mean, what gave you the idea to put some oil into your coffee in first place? Still, I gotta try this today as my voice shows similar symptoms ... Heinz. It wasn't my idea...I was at a session where the artist ( major label, very successful writer/perfomer) wss suffering from a bad cold and throat irritation...It was his "trick" for temporary throat treatment...
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/06 10:47:43
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+1 for licorice-based products. They've worked on just about every vocalist I've dealt with. As for CHRONIC problems, I wonder if you still have your tonsils? Most folks with their tonsils have prolonged ENT problems versus those without. (Tonsils harbor a LOT of infection.) If so, you may be treating secondary symptoms. Good luck... Jay
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/06 13:01:06
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Room temperature water! (lukewarm at best) Anything hotter than this will damage cells to some extent. Coffee, licorice, honey, alcohol...almost everything sucks moisture out, and you want to rehydrate. Water will do this to a tiny extent externally (the external cells in your vocal cords, throat, etc.) and largely internally (it will be absorbed and redistributed through your blood and lymphatic system). The things that seem to make you feel good immediately (sounds like real life, doesn't it?) tend to have short lived relief and longer-term damage. I know, sometimes we have to make it through a night, but we have to think about the next night. Get more sleep. Make sure your indoor relative humidity is up. Make warm weak tea, breathe the steam until it doesn't steam any more, and then sip the tea. If you had a cold or something caused by a virus, there is of course no cure, it will work its way out one way or another. If you have lingering after effects - sinus infection, lung congestion, etc. - it may be a lingering bacteriological infection and antibiotics might be called for. I suffered through something like this for most of the month of January, and the doctor (I'm lucky enough to have health coverage even if it is with Kaiser) wouldn't do anything useful, so I just had to fight it out. The worst thing about mine was the inner ear congestion that screwed up my hearing in my left ear for a long time, but it's back. Luckily, I had no gigs, so I transferred tapes, edited drums (one ear needed for that!), etc. Good night (get some rest, kick this), and good luck.
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Re:Singing When You Have a Chroic Cough ...
2010/03/06 13:05:02
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You guys are great (GutiarTrec, H_James and MIDIMINDS, too ... I'll be getty some good-n-plenty. None of you mentioned menthol! Neither does Mark Baxter, IIRC. Baxter, IIRC, called a sore throat, "the kiss of death for a rock singer". Basically, for me (and my family), its been chesty (bonchitis); IOWs the chest register(s) are the issue for all of us. Its some funky flu crud. The head and falsetto registers (I think thats what they're called) ... are minimally affected.
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