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2015/06/09 03:19:30 (permalink)

Sizzle Bus FX Chain

I've looked for it but can't find it. Anyone located it?

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/09 03:43:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2015/06/09 05:11:55
You can find it unter FX Chains> Anderton Collection > Processors
Maybe you have to do a rescan of your vst folder.

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/09 06:52:50 (permalink)
I STILL have yet to get any audio passing thru it! All the other processors seem to be fine but Sizzle Bus is not working. Audio passes thru fine in bypass but when turned on there is no sound at all! Anyone?

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/09 06:59:10 (permalink)
No sound coming out of here as well. I had it on the Master Bus and also tried to using it as a send effect which did not work either.
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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/09 07:18:43 (permalink)
I just had a short look into it. When you turn the HF Cutoff all the way down and the Sizzle all the way up you get really much ‘Sizzle’. I put it on a new bus and feed it with sends for parallel processing. Then you can add the amount of Sizzle with bus fader. It’s some kind of exciter effect. I’m not sure if I like it. Maybe Graig can post quick tutorial how to use right.

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/09 09:01:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rcklln 2015/06/11 07:47:30
Check out the Everett PDF and review pages 9 and 10. Remember this is a bus effect and should be used only in parallel. If you use it as an insert effect, it will not only not sound right, it will be pretty much useless.
 
For more info on the concept, the following is from my Tip of the Week thread. The implementation is more basic than the FX Chain, but the principle of operation is the same. Please listen to the Sizzle Bus demo video to hear it in use.
 
Week 50: The “Sizzle” Bus
 
Sure, buses are great for reverb processing. But they have many other uses, and here’s one of my favorites—the “sizzle” bus. I've uploaded a Sizzle Bus demo video (with audio, of course) - it plays a guitar track, the same track with sizzle, then the sound contributed by the sizzle itself.
 
Bus Basics. SONAR can tap a signal off a track and send it, through its own send control that varies the level, to a bus. Because each track has its own send control, you can mix in as much or as little signal as you want into a bus.
 
There are two main bus applications: utilitarian and processing. For example, a utilitarian application would be to create a bus with a particular headphone mix, like a mix for the bass player that has more drums. You then send the bus output to the bass player’s headphone amp.
 
A traditional processing example is reverb. Because you’re emulating the sounds of instruments in a room, it’s logical to send a little bit of each track into the “room.” The reverb bus’s output feeds into the master bus, so you can vary the total amount of reverb in the mix.
 
However, there are many more ways to apply bus processing, so let’s use the ProChannel to build a “sizzle bus” that can impart a subtle, but important, dimension to a mix.
 
How to Construct a Sizzle Bus. A lazy way to create a similar effect is just to boost the treble a bit on the master bus, or maybe switch on the QuadCurve EQ’s Gloss control. However in today’s music, there’s likely to be a disparity among brighter tracks, like digital synthesizers, and
acoustic and electric instruments that may sound a little dull compared to the electronic instruments. So, it can be more effective to set up a “sizzle” bus—which is not about a standard type of EQ or tone control—and send signals from duller-sounding tracks as needed to bring them more into line with the brighter tracks.
 
Create a ProChannel effects chain as follows:
 
QuadCurve EQ. Enable the highpass (HP) filter. Set the slope to 30 dB/octave, Frequency to around 10 kHz, and optionally enable Gloss.
Tube Distortion. Use Type 1 (important), turn up Drive all the way, Output up about halfway, and use Input to vary the amount of distortion. Start with Input all the way down.
 
The EQ eliminates all but the highest frequencies, which are then distorted to create artificial harmonics above the natural harmonics. This is similar to how the original “exciter” hardware circuits worked.
 
Setting it Up. Parameter setup is crucial, as this effect needs to be extremely subtle—otherwise it will add harshness instead of sparkle. Acoustic guitar is a good test, because it has lots of high-frequency artifacts that can provide a good “reality check.” Send some guitar to the exciter bus at about 0 dB, and solo the sizzle bus output so you don’t hear the main guitar sound.
 

 
With the distortion bypassed, adjust the QuadCurve highpass filter so it catches only the highest frequencies. You won’t want to go much lower than 10 kHz, if at all.
 
Now start turning up the Tube Distortion’s Input control. You’ll need to turn it up quite a bit, as the signal feeding the Tube Distortion will be very low. If the little tube graphic winks red periodically, it’s in about the right zone. The distortion shouldn’t be an obvious distortion, but offer just a hint of breakup.
 
Next, unsolo the sizzle bus, bring its fader down, and mix the acoustic guitar track to the desired level. Slowly bring up the bus level. You’ll find a “sweet spot” that’s almost subliminal—you’ll hear a little extra sparkle. Any less, and you won’t hear the effect; any more, and you’ll hear distortion instead of sparkle.
 
This creates a reasonably good baseline for the exciter bus level. Now send other tracks as needed—lead and background vocals lend themselves to excitation (probably the maximum amount that you’ll send from any track).
 
But really, there are no hard and fast rules. If you’re used to brightening by using overall EQ in the master, try this somewhat more refined technique. You might find that you’ll have a hard time going back to just slapping a treble boost onto the master output bus.

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/10 13:58:46 (permalink)
Just following up...did y'all get it sorted out, or do you need more information from me?

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/11 07:31:11 (permalink)
Yes after watching the video example I could hear the distorted static sound when I would solo that bus. I think being almost 60 years old I am loosing my high frequency hearing. I used to own a BBE Sonic Maximizer hardware unit and I really could tell what it was doing.
Thanks for taking the time for the demo and explanation.
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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/11 09:22:26 (permalink)
Wont pass any audio for me....

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/11 10:17:09 (permalink)
meh
Wont pass any audio for me....



Do you get warnings that any plug-ins are missing when you open a project with the Sizzle Bus?

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/12 14:46:13 (permalink)
The sizzle bus will not pass any audio for me either.  No warnings about missing plug-ins.
I really want to try this thing :)

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 19:20:39 (permalink)
The problem I'm having is...I'm using the Sizzle bus for one song on one track (Imagine a mastering setup with different songs on different tracks). When I mute the track the signal is still passing through the sizzle bus making it difficult to do comparisons (I have to mute the track and bus). How can I route the sizzle bus signal to the track instead of the master bus?

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 21:25:15 (permalink)
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The problem I'm having is...I'm using the Sizzle bus for one song on one track (Imagine a mastering setup with different songs on different tracks). When I mute the track the signal is still passing through the sizzle bus making it difficult to do comparisons (I have to mute the track and bus). How can I route the sizzle bus signal to the track instead of the master bus?


Set up a bus to be routed from whatever track sent to the master.  I've had no problems.
 
I realize some may not find this useful, depending on what you have, but I was very impressed how subtle & dynamic it is.  Craig's still crankin'... 
 
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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 21:37:22 (permalink)
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I realize some may not find this useful, depending on what you have, but I was very impressed how subtle & dynamic it is.  Craig's still crankin'... 



Thanks for the props! It's not intended to be an "effect" where you can hear it working. It's supposed to be one of those processors where you notice something is missing if you bypass it.

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 21:51:15 (permalink)
at 62, are we supposed to hear it??  :-D.   Soloing the buss, makes me wonder if I should add it or not...   Of course I compressed the bee-gebbers out of it and dumped any low end, so I COULD crank it and hear it when blending....but.....?? I love the red GUI color, for sure!

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 21:57:21 (permalink)
Well, I can hear it, and I'm not a youngster  
 
The Sizzle Buss synthesizes extremely high frequency harmonics. In isolation, they do not sound even remotely natural. They are meant to sit like a thin veneer on top of the existing audio. Again, if you can't tell it's there when enabled but hear something missing when it's bypassed, you have the right balance.

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Re: Sizzle Bus FX Chain 2015/06/14 22:10:00 (permalink)
I think it sounds great, but I guess I'm trying to do something that's not possible (per my post #12).

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