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2016/07/26 22:33:43 (permalink)

Sleep vs Off

Ia it better to close everything down at the end of the day and turn of my PC or better to go onto sleep mode? I seen articles but not sure which has less wear and tear on a computer. Can anyone shed some light on the subject? Thanks for any help!

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/26 23:07:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/07/27 00:42:14
I measured amps on my gear and figure it probably costs one hundred USD per year to leave it on.

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/26 23:57:43 (permalink)
I would shut it right down. We all need a rest.

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 00:25:42 (permalink)
Thanks for the quick responses! I had read some where that it's better to leave it on but that's been a while back. I forget the reasoning but it makes sense to me to give it a rest at the end of the day

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 06:45:40 (permalink)
Bear in mind that 'Shutdown' on Windows 10 does not truly shut down, it hibernates, but it is actually 'off' power-wise.  If you've e.g. configured Wake On LAN then there may be some very minimalist power consumption by the PHY of the NIC, but so trivially small that it's not worth worrying about.
 
I've found the biggest power consumption culprits when everything is 'switched off' to be certain wall warts and line lumps which generate a surprising amount of heat even though the thing they are ostensibly powering is off.  I think the technical reason for them doing this is "really crap design".
 
I have a somewhat terrifying 36 mains plugs/adapters all sourced from a 2-plug wall outlet, but it gives me an easy way of removing mains source power from absolutely everything when it's time to shut down.
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 07:27:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/07/27 13:09:00
On the few occasions I've tried Sleep Mode I discovered that not everything would Wake Up properly, so I ALWAYS switch everything right off at the end of a session.
 
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Once the monitors & pc are powered down, I simply shut down the UPS, then hit the wall switch.
 
 

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 09:17:25 (permalink)
Looks like I'm the odd man out here, but I've been leaving mine always on (possibly just old advice that never left). Now I'm rethinking if it's better to shut it off and only power it up when I'm at the DAW (which isn't daily)?? 

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 10:03:55 (permalink)
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Bear in mind that 'Shutdown' on Windows 10 does not truly shut down, it hibernates, but it is actually 'off' power-wise.

I thought this is the case only if the Fast Startup option is enabled. Disabling Fast Startup reverts Win10 to a regular cold start. I disabled Fast Startup after having start menu trouble one day. It boots fast enough from an SSD without it.
 
FWIW, I always shutdown at night and cold start every morning. I am less concerned about what cycling power does to the hardware than I am with a stable OS.
 
Everything is on UPS but the power switches for the DAW are after the UPS because the UPS also powers telco gear which does not power down at night.
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 12:13:43 (permalink)
Yeah that's true but I leave it enabled.  Never had any start menu issues, can't really see how they're related tbh.  Note that you'll still be cycling power even if fast startup is enabled, just that the machine's state is read from storage rather than built from the ground up again, that's the only difference really. 
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 14:53:27 (permalink)
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Thanks for the quick responses! I had read some where that it's better to leave it on but that's been a while back. I forget the reasoning but it makes sense to me to give it a rest at the end of the day




That's like the Mac/PC debate.   Off lets your components cool down.  If you have a high end gamer type rig I would turn it off a lot.

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 15:09:05 (permalink)
Turn it off at night or session finish.  Otherwise sleep.

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 15:25:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/07/27 15:48:04
Sleep caused issues for me with Sonar, so I never ever put any of my computers into sleep mode.
 
My primary DAW is usually on all the time, as I am home from being disabled - I tend to work for a block of hours until tired or in pain, then will lie down for a couple 2-3 hours, then get back at it, so I just leave everything on.
 
The cost per year for having the computer and monitors on is pretty insignificant - (as noted above in another post), so I don't worry about it.
 
An SSD has no moving parts, so heat would be its principal enemy, and I have liquid cooling and a giant case with loads of fans in an air conditioned environment, so that has never been an issue.  I DO have 5 additional 2 TB HDD's in that chassis, but I use primarily Western Digital Black drives, which are built to a better standard than many other drives, and I normally keep several replacement drives in boxes ready to replace any that fail.
 
I DO shut the laptop off after each Sonar session, and I think that helps its longevity a bit - how much I have no way to know.
 
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 19:26:35 (permalink)
I can't stand sleep mode.  never have liked it. it never works correctly for me, IDK, maybe I'm just a dumb dog who doesn't understand it?
 
I leave mine running almost all the time.  I shut it down when I'm going to be gone for more than 2 or 3 days.  other than that, it runs.
 
I shut off my mixer and speakers and rack every night, tho.

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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/27 19:49:52 (permalink)
So far, the main focus seems to be power consumption and moving component wear. There's a much bigger problem with Sleep, Hibernate and never powering down. And that's application memory leaks and little borks that don't BSOD but still mess things up JUST a little bit. You're not just running SONAR; you're running tons of device drivers and services and other assorted crapola. Windows and OS-X and Android and iOS and Linux and ALL of them benefit from a regular clean start. Not necessarily daily, but regularly.
 
Just think of yourself when you're not regular.
 
EDIT: So me? I run mine balls out, no rest for the weary, until I'm done for the day. I then say a prayer to the h/w gods, thanking them for one more day on this old power supply, and shut her down for the night.
 
But that's just me. And I could, and often have been, wrong.
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/28 06:24:05 (permalink)
I strongly doubt any device drivers would have memory leaks *especially* if they've passed the Microsoft driver validation test suite.  In fact, if they've passed those tests and have been signed off by M$, then they will not have memory leaks.  However, self-signed drivers which have not been rigorously tested or (more likely) applications may well have leaks.  But to stress the point a bit more, those tests are truly gnarly, anything getting through them is nails.
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/28 17:39:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby The Kiosk Project 2016/07/29 19:35:00
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So far, the main focus seems to be power consumption and moving component wear. There's a much bigger problem with Sleep, Hibernate and never powering down. And that's application memory leaks and little borks that don't BSOD but still mess things up JUST a little bit. You're not just running SONAR; you're running tons of device drivers and services and other assorted crapola. Windows and OS-X and Android and iOS and Linux and ALL of them benefit from a regular clean start. Not necessarily daily, but regularly.
 
Just think of yourself when you're not regular.
 
EDIT: So me? I run mine balls out, no rest for the weary, until I'm done for the day. I then say a prayer to the h/w gods, thanking them for one more day on this old power supply, and shut her down for the night.
 
But that's just me. And I could, and often have been, wrong.


+1.
 
A rest at the end of the day is good for people and hardware alike.
The few extra seconds it takes to cold start in the morning and shut down at the end of the day should have very little impact on your work flow, but it could definitively extend the life of the computer, not to mention improve system performance at the beginning of the day.
 
I quit trying to use sleep mode a long time ago - 
No doubt it has improved by now, but in my past experience it caused more issues in the long run than it was worth.
 
I treat my computers (laptop & desktop) like all my other electrical equipment, be it the home entertainment center, television, synth rack, keyboards, monitors, etc. When done for the day, they get turned off...
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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/28 23:37:23 (permalink)
Outside of the occasional power failure, my PC has been on since 2009.  No hibernate or sleep.


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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/07/29 10:08:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2016/07/29 10:44:11
Ever been to a server farm? Rows and rows of computers, hundreds of 'em. For the most part, they are only shut down for maintenance. Ever been in a mainframe computer room? Enormous "big iron" systems that fill a warehouse-size space, and might be shut down once a year for maintenance. There are literally millions of computer systems around the world that essentially never shut down. And they run far more critical missions than recording music. They manage the world's internet traffic, as well as cell phones, 911 services, monitoring oil and gas pipelines, nuclear reactors and air traffic control. They pretty much do it 24x7 with only occasional (scheduled) shutdowns.
 
Of course, these are climate-controlled rooms. Power conditioning, air conditioning, humidity regulation, filtered air. They're noisy because there are hundreds or thousands of fans going. Contrast that to your laptop, which has to quietly function in all kinds of environments.
 
Whether you need to shut your computer down or not really depends on the computer (desktop vs laptop, water-cooled vs single fan) and its environment (hot and humid vs. cool and dry, prone to bad power and lightning, conditioned power vs. sharing a circuit with leaf-blowers). Look inside your computer; is it clean or stuffed with dust bunnies? Does the CPU heatsink still allow airflow, or is it clogged with dust? Have you ever even seen the CPU heatsink? Is the PSU intake clogged? How about the air filters on your disk drives? They have to suck in air, too.
 
My own practice is to shut down once a week, and vacuum the case out once a month. I'm more likely to shut a laptop completely off because heat stress is more likely in a laptop. 


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Re: Sleep vs Off 2016/08/03 13:36:16 (permalink)
EMP=dark ages again?

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