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Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
I have ALL of my audio and midi tracks selected in an older project, a way older project. I try to line up all of the tracks to a whole measure with the slide process. ALL of the tracks need to go left -00:00:023 I do a CTRL-A to select all tracks from beginning of project to end After all tracks are selected, I do Process/Slide/Ticks/ and set to -23 followed by enter. Does slide process not work for midi in X3?? I am able to slide the audio files, but NOT the midi clips. As far as what I read, it should be any event type.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 14:28:14
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Guitarmech111 I do a CTRL-A to select all tracks from beginning of project to end
You won't be able to slide anything earlier if your selection starts at 1:01:000. You need to set the start of the selection (i.e. From) to the start of the first clip. Lassoing clips with right-click+drag is often the easiest way to do this.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 14:32:52
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My selection started at 2:01:060 and needed to go back -21 ticks for all tracks.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 14:42:17
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Should not be a problem, then, but Ctrl+A would have selected from 1:01:000. Check the highlight in the timeline.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 14:45:18
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brundlefly Should not be a problem, then, but Ctrl+A would have selected from 1:01:000. Check the highlight in the timeline.
good point. I will verify. fwiw, I manually selected the midi clip all by itself, from reference point above, and it did not shift when going through the slide process. The audio files did though when trying to slide them together.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 15:02:10
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Hmmm... all I can tell you is that there isn't any problem with sliding MIDI clips in general that I'm aware of. Either the position is locked or something else project-specific is preventing the slide.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 15:23:05
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cool, thanks for checking.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 15:58:29
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here is what happened. When I selected the midi clip all by itself, the selection start was 01:03:000 and I double clicked the clip to bring up the PRV. When I double clicked it, the time selection went from 1:01:000 instead of 1:03:00 where the clip actually started and was selected from. I changed the selection time to 01:03:000 and the midi events shifted the desired amount. My click behavior for double click is supposed to pull up the PRV for midi clips, but does a select all as well. I did not expect that and don't think that the double click should cause the timeline selection to change. It did not do that in 8.5, X1 or X2. But saying that, the clip selection span in the timeline was not persistent once the midi clip was double clicked. Basically, midi double click and timeline selection is all fubar'd in the X series.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 16:20:56
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Something still not right. It was a common complaint in X1 that double-clicking to open the PRV would leave all the events selected, but it didn't select anything before the start of the clip. That issue was addressed in X2 or X2a, leaving nothing selected after double-clicking a clip and that behavior persists in X3 for me.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 16:31:49
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I think this may be an issue with older projects(WRK) being imported into X3. I created a new project and inserted a midi track with a few events. When clicking the midi clip, the timeline selected the timeline for the clip. When double clicking that clip, the timeline selection beginning changes to 1:01:000. Gonna shoot Tech support a copy for their use to try a replicate.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 16:33:43
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On a new midi project, the only thing that is selected for the timeline range start/End is the SPP now time for each.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 18:21:08
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brundlefly It was a common complaint in X1 that double-clicking to open the PRV would leave all the events selected, but it didn't select anything before the start of the clip. That issue was addressed in X2 or X2a, leaving nothing selected after double-clicking a clip and that behavior persists in X3 for me.
I actually liked the behavior in X1 because if I want to deselect the events I just need to click the blank area inside the notes pane, but in X3 if I want to select all events in the clip I need to hide the MultiDock and single-click the clip and then show the MultiDock again, or lasso-select all the events.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/03 18:24:15
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 11:34:55
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This seems to be an issue of importing older projects into X3. I haven't checked X1 or X2 with all of these WRK files.
I am getting pushback from support with workarounds. I don't want a workaround, I would like to have a defect created since importing these files causes SONAR not to work as advertised. I would rather have this fixed.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 11:51:51
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I just tried this with a NEW project:
1. Open new project with one midi track 2. Open PRV for midi track and enter several midi events after 1:03:000 3. Close PRV - At this point you have a midi clip that starts at 1:03:000 or later 4. Set now time to measure 7 5. Single Click on midi clip - this sets the selection time correctly 6. Double click the midi clip
At this point, PRV comes up and the selection beginning time switches to the now time pointer which is nowhere near the clip beginning time as was intended and set earlier... This looks to be a defect to me. If someone can explain how this would be expected behavior, I am all ears.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 12:46:29
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The Now time and selection boundaries are independent. The PRV opens with the previous selected clip roughly centered in the view. The Now time will stay wherever it is. Nothing should be selected at that point, and whenever everything is de-selected, the From and Thru time default to wherever the Now time is. You can't re-enable a previous selection without defining a new From and Thru time, so I don't see that this is a problem...?
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 13:01:23
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ok, that makes sense looking at it that way. This is what I found though - I see when I do a right click on the selected midi clip and choose the PRV as the view, ALT+3 alternate, the selection beginning and end persist when PRV is opened. I expected that the double click would emulate the ALT+3.
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 13:13:07
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Alt+3 opens the PRV at the Now time, independent of any selection, while double-clicking is asking SONAR to show a specific selection in the PRV. This gives you two options, depending on what your goal is (e.g. view/edit an existing clip or add new events at the Now time).
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Re: Slide not working as expected for midi events - X3
2014/03/04 13:29:49
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I see that now, maybe an option during double click to keep time and track selection then. That would do what I expected it to. time to just roll with the punches I guess.. :)
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