Loptec
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Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
I've never use the smart grid function. It's a great idea, but it's poorly executed.
I don't know if this has been discussed before but, wouldn't it be nice if we were able to set a minimum and maximum snap value to the this function and also if we could change the curve of when the snap value changed to what zoom level (like a graphic curve) to make the setting better match the snap value we want at a specific zoom level?
..and also having individual settings available for piano roll view and track view, of course.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 11:09:43
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I'm not saying it can't be improved, but I'm able to be pretty fast with it for the work I do. I'm fast on that N hot key!
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 11:44:32
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It's a cool idea I guess but I generally leave it turned off. I know what I want to Snap to and having it change all the time just screws me up.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 11:51:55
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I love it but I do have one finger on the N key a lot.
saves me from changing settings a lot
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:12:39
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What does the N key do? I forget.
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Loptec
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:23:29
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N just turns snap on and off
I always keep smart grid off as well, but I think I would use it if the settings were more flexible..
ex. if I want to jump in and out of PRV and want to have the notes snap to 16th notes in there and the clips snap to bars in track view, no matter the zoom level, this would be possible with this feature.
I'm very quick with the N as well, but I think a better smart grid would make the work flow better since I wouldn't have to change the snap value all the time..
it's not jumping between snap on/off that's the problem. it's the jumping between different snap values that I think could be improved
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:31:53
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Ah right. I should have known that. I thought maybe it was the toggle between snap values thing. The Snap functions are pretty thorough in a lot of ways but there is quite a bit to remember. For most of what I do it's simple enough to just reach up and change things manually... I do have to remember the N key binding though because I do indeed turn Snap on and off quite frequently. One thing I find with the Smart Grid is the values are much smaller than I want. For example if I'm zoomed right in having it default to 16th or 32nd notes would be more useful. Not ticks or samples. Just makes it kind of useless to me.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:42:59
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A N key chord can also change between snap default settings. Alt+N maybe?
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:48:08
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Beepster
Ah right. I should have known that. I thought maybe it was the toggle between snap values thing. The Snap functions are pretty thorough in a lot of ways but there is quite a bit to remember. For most of what I do it's simple enough to just reach up and change things manually... I do have to remember the N key binding though because I do indeed turn Snap on and off quite frequently. One thing I find with the Smart Grid is the values are much smaller than I want. For example if I'm zoomed right in having it default to 16th or 32nd notes would be more useful. Not ticks or samples. Just makes it kind of useless to me.
Cheers.
yeah and this is exactly what I'm talking about :) If we were able to set a min and max value we could set it to never go below, for example, 16th notes I also find it useless to have a snap function go all the way down to samples. Some may like this, but with the option to choose everyone could get what they want.. and more people would be able to take advantage of this (potential) great tool.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 12:49:54
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Ctl+shift n or hold n down to use secondary snap settings.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 13:05:16
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I always turn it off, it never seems to select the snap I require.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 14:53:41
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I would hate to go back to pre-SmartGrid. I think some customization would be good as well, like defining when it switches, but overall I find I can set it and forget it and never really worry about snap settings. I only need "N" to toggle alternate settings or override snap altogether.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 14:55:59
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I know every thread that Brandon posts in degenerates into a Hi Brandon thread but... Hi Brandon! Nice to see you 
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 15:01:12
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Let's not think of it as "degenerating" :-)
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 17:34:20
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 18:02:13
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
I would hate to go back to pre-SmartGrid. I think some customization would be good as well, like defining when it switches, but overall I find I can set it and forget it and never really worry about snap settings. I only need "N" to toggle alternate settings or override snap altogether.
Well no, I wouldn't want to go back to pre-SmartGrid either. :) Smart Grid was actually one of the things I got especially impressed by when you showed us X2 for the first time in that X2 webinar you and Seth had. But being able to "calibrate" it so to speak would be nice I think. And I feel (reading the replies here) that I'm not the only one that feels this way. I do use the N-button. Both for switching snap on/off, and also for the alternate snap setting. This is a whole other feature though, I think and shouldn't be confused with the smart grid.. I really like the idea behind smart grid. It just doesn't feel spot on yet. Since people work with different screen resolutions and on different screen sizes (not to mention that people just like different snap settings in general) it would only be logical to be able to personalize this more I think.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 18:05:19
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
I would hate to go back to pre-SmartGrid. I think some customization would be good as well, like defining when it switches, but overall I find I can set it and forget it and never really worry about snap settings. I only need "N" to toggle alternate settings or override snap altogether.
Well no, I wouldn't want to go back to pre-SmartGrid either. :)
Smart Grid was actually one of the things I got especially impressed by when you showed us X2 for the first time in that X2 webinar you and Seth had.
But being able to "calibrate" it so to speak would be nice I think. And I feel (reading the replies here) that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I do use the N-button. Both for switching snap on/off, and also for the alternate snap setting. This is a whole other feature though, I think and shouldn't be confused with the smart grid.. I really like the idea behind smart grid. It just doesn't feel spot on yet.
Since people work with different screen resolutions and on different screen sizes (not to mention that people just like different snap settings in general) it would only be logical to be able to personalize this more I think.
Fair points all around. Some kind of customization wouldn't be bad at all.
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/27 18:36:20
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Loptec
I've never use the smart grid function. It's a great idea, but it's poorly executed.
I don't know if this has been discussed before but, wouldn't it be nice if we were able to set a minimum and maximum snap value to the this function and also if we could change the curve of when the snap value changed to what zoom level (like a graphic curve) to make the setting better match the snap value we want at a specific zoom level?
..and also having individual settings available for piano roll view and track view, of course.
It doesn't quite do exactly what you're looking for, but Bill Jackson shared a pretty cool tip a while back for tweaking the behavior a bit. Check it out: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2675461
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Re: Smart grid; Good idea - Bad execution
2013/06/28 05:39:06
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
Fair points all around. Some kind of customization wouldn't be bad at all.
Nice to hear! And a big thanks for replying! I know it's getting old, but it's really nice having you around! :) Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
It doesn't quite do exactly what you're looking for, but Bill Jackson shared a pretty cool tip a while back for tweaking the behavior a bit. Check it out: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2675461
Wow! That's awesome! :) As you say, it's not exactly what I'm looking for but I played around with this and found that it feels much more natural for me to have it set to 64 :) Now I'll definitely use Smart Grid more! :) ..And since this setting was so easy to adjust, it gives me hope for the future and Smart Grid's development! :)
post edited by Loptec - 2013/06/28 06:01:08
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