Paul Slocum
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Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
Is there a way to turn off the bumpy scrolling of tracks in the main view and faders in console view? By default, the scrolling only allows a full track or fader to be visible, so the scrolling is jerky. I hate it. I would much prefer that it just scrolls normally.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:18:36
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Hit your keyboard pause key.
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Paul Slocum
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:29:24
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haha, I'm not sure what the "pause key" is...
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:33:10
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Upper right of qwerty keyboard, near Scroll Lock & print screen... HTH, Ed
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:35:11
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Huh, really? I just tried it and no dice, tho I may not be hearing the question right. By default the display SHOULD jump per track, what other unit of measurement is there in the track view or console view than a track?
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:35:45
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The pause key forces Sonar into CPU conserve mode so updates happen less frequently. Try it and you will see what it does, but I don't think that is your problem. From your description it sounds like you want Sonar to scroll the tracks while keeping the now time in the center of your monitor. That is not possible in Sonar. Your only option is to zoom out horizontally so that the screen doesn't have to update as often as the now time goes from left to right. One other option is to use the scroll lock key to turn off following of the now time. That can be helpul sometimes when your playing back while working on a part. However, I agree with you that it would be nice if Sonar could be configured to do the kind of scrolling your talking about. EDIT: I think I misunderstood the question. Are you talking about track view or console view?
post edited by WDI - 2009/01/26 18:41:16
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:39:57
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The pause/break key will effect both the meters and the scrolling of the now time as explained by WDI. If this is not what you are asking then I don't know what you mean.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:45:53
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Maybe I'm not being clear. Sorry. When in main view, when I scroll up and down all the tracks I have in the song, it jumps one full track at a time. If I have a track or track set up so it is viewed tall, then I have to scroll a ways, then all of a sudden it pops onto my screen, which I find awkward for navigation. I want the tracks to scroll up and down *smoothly*. So in other words, I want to be able to have half a track visible when I'm scrolling. I'll try the pause button when I get home.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:47:46
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Or another interpretation of what your asking... If your talking about the way Sonar scrolls tracks in track view where it moves in track size increments as you scroll tracks vertically or the way it moves in track size increments horizontally in Console view, no I don't think there is a way to turn that off. Not that I'm aware of. And yes I agree with you it would be nice if scrolling was smooth. It's can be a little hard to follow when it jumps like that. EDIT: The pause key will not help this behavior.
post edited by WDI - 2009/01/26 18:52:25
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:56:22
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Now that I think about it, I had a hard time getting used to that in Sonar 7 console view. I just checked in Sonar 4 and horizontal scrolling is smooth in the console view. So when ever they redesigned the console view used in Sonar 7 that behavior changed from smooth to jumping in track size increments. However, the vertical scrolling in track view in Sonar 4 also jumped in track size increments. Perhaps there is a way to change that behavior in Sonar 7? If someone knows please chime in.
post edited by WDI - 2009/01/26 19:45:03
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 18:58:26
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ORIGINAL: Paul Slocum Maybe I'm not being clear. Sorry. When in main view, when I scroll up and down all the tracks I have in the song, it jumps one full track at a time. If I have a track or track set up so it is viewed tall, then I have to scroll a ways, then all of a sudden it pops onto my screen, which I find awkward for navigation. I want the tracks to scroll up and down *smoothly*. So in other words, I want to be able to have half a track visible when I'm scrolling. I'll try the pause button when I get home. i know what you mean . and i agree it sucks - but its just like that - nothing to do about it
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 19:10:54
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I'll try the pause button when I get home. That wont help I don't think. Not for this. Well it might if you have it on. Turn it off and see. Sonar has these keys mapped at the bottom of the screen N S P Num Lock Scroll Lock and Pause. My screen scrolls smoothly up and down. It may be how you scroll. Are you using the arrow keys or the side scroll bar? The new mixer has auto resize and that is what contributes to unsmoothness there. It is a feature don't you know. Its been enhanced too. LOL
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 19:11:04
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ORIGINAL: ...wicked By default the display SHOULD jump per track, what other unit of measurement is there in the track view or console view than a track? um... how about by PIXEL? -- just like every other windows program. Yeah I'm with the OP, the scrolling is absolutely frickin obnoxious-- especially when comping a lot of vocal takes. Where is that feature request page? I'll gladly send a request for this. It should definitely be a user selectable option.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 23:30:02
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The vertical scrolling of tracks is weird. when you have more tracks than can be seen in one view of the track screen and you want to scroll up or down through the tracks. each scroll movement is determned by the size of the top most track. If you now have say 20 lanes showing in that track instead of being able to scroll through them the whole track disappears from view when iot becomes the top most or bottom most track. When all the tracks are the same minimum height and you have say 100 tracks it gives the appearance of scrolling smoothly but just open up a few tracks to show more info and then scroll and you'll see how the display jumps at the rate of the vertical size of each track rather than just a smooth scrolling motion . You can't display part of a track vertically. Its all or nothing. The size of the top track in the display determines if any subsequent track is viewed wholly or partially. You just can't scroll to the middle (vertically) of a track.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/26 23:40:33
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Um, are you sure? I'm not at the DAW right now but it always seemed to me the display jumps to accomodate whatever the next full track is in whatever direction you're scrolling. This makes sense to me. As for the OP, after thinking about it I think partial track would be interminable most of the time, as you'd almost have part of a track visible, which would be less than ideal and quite frustrating trying to "snap" the display to show the whole track.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 05:44:28
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Using the mouse scroll wheel the way Wicked describes it is the way it works for me. It still is a smooth scroll though. The top track is never cut off. The bottom ones are if the divider for the bus pane is set in a way where the screen can't display all full tracks. The same scroll is done in the bus pane. I don't see this as an issue but a feature. I am using Areo under Vista. This may have an impact on the smoothness I see. The arrow keys do the same thing The scroll bar also acts that way.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 06:40:34
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that's what I'm saying. The top track is never cut down it always shows completely.Its the top track that is always shown. Its only ever the bottom track that may be partially shown. But lets say you had 20 or 40 lanes in that top track and wanted to scroll through them you can't because the whole track disappears out of the track view in one go
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 07:00:04
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20 or 40 lanes in one track? That's a lot of lanes. For that I don't have an answer but perhaps the maximize button may be helpful. Or it could be 20 to 40 % better with a huge display screen.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 07:12:14
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Doesn't really affect my work flow but after the OP mentioned it I thought I'd see what the fuss was about and he's right. It doesn't scroll smoothly at all; it moves up or down by the height of the top track at any given time.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 07:39:57
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It is smooth in how it scrolls for me. I guess it is a question of how fast it jumps on a given system. Fast enough and it appeasers smooth.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 09:52:18
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heheh john - compared to the size of the empirestatebuilding the scrolling of the tracks is smooth
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 09:53:22
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I think the point is, some people would rather have the top track get cut in the middle if they're dealing with 10+ takes/layers on the track. The scrolling really gets wacky when there are lots of takes. Then you're trying to drag the good take down to the next track, but you scroll, WHOOPS scrolled too far, scroll back, WHOOPS TOO FAR. Reapeat, ad naseaum... I agree with the OP, the scrolling has always been a pain in the ass for me.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 10:04:14
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ORIGINAL: dontletmedrown I agree with the OP, the scrolling has always been a pain in the ass for me. ditto ... especially when tracks are stretched tall
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 10:17:15
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Recently, I've been making more & more use of the M key and simply hiding the tracks I'm not currently interested in or working with. not an ideal solution I know, but a workaround - especially if you use folders to group tracks into - all you have to do then is hide/unhide the folder itself. M > Click > Ok. 3 key presses.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 10:25:50
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On this "M" concept (which I do too)... Has anyone figured out a way to do the 'layouts' coupled with hiding tracks (M'ing them, I call it)? I was going down that path just yesterday in a production session, and just did it the tedious-way M-click-click(x20)- would be groovy to build a GUITARS view, VOCALS view, inclusive of bus, track, midi, etc...it would incorporate Layouts idea, AND M'ng. btw, I think the "console-sync with track view" M'ng checkbox is bugged on the console. I get all kinds of errant tracks not doing what I told them to on the track view.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 11:49:18
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Yah but the alternative is that the top track then gets cut off, and I can guarantee you that will becoming annoying far quicker than a subsequent track, or the jump in a track stretched very tall. I'd just minimize then manually stretch out the track you want. Or get a bigger monitor, the problem is simply real estate.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 13:43:20
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Not in front of my DAW at the moment, but, what happens if you grab the handle on the vertical scroll bar? I think that allows finer control over vertical scrolling. Maybe we need a mode that sorta links the mouse wheel to that...
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 15:00:57
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ORIGINAL: ...wicked Yah but the alternative is that the top track then gets cut off, and I can guarantee you that will becoming annoying far quicker than a subsequent track, or the jump in a track stretched very tall. I'd just minimize then manually stretch out the track you want. Or get a bigger monitor, the problem is simply real estate. Maybe annoying for you. That's why I'd love to see it as a "user selectable" option. Do me a favor-- go and record 20 short (10 sec) passes onto the same track. Now open the layer pane and stretch the track open. Now create 2 tracks underneath it and try to scroll between the three tracks. Not very fun at all-- especially if you're recording a weak vocalist who may need ever MORE takes. (!!!!) I'd love to see Sonar scroll as smooth as this forum web page does. Tell me what is so bad about that...
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 22:46:46
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Or get a bigger monitor, the problem is simply real estate. Unfortunately thats not the case. I run Sonar on a 40" LCD at 1920by1080 and am still annoyed at the way it scrolls as Dave and others have described.
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RE: Smooth Scrolling of Tracks
2009/01/27 22:59:55
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Hrm... okee I stand corrected. Couldn't you still just manually adjust the height of the "many-layered" track so it doesn't take quite so much space? You're not gonna see everything anyway with the scrolling the way you're suggesting. Or, maybe this is just a case needing to "see" it to really "see" it. :-)
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