Snap To Grid Settings - What's the difference between 'Measure' and 'Whole'

I may be having a stupid moment, but what's the difference between 'Measure' and 'Whole' in the snap settings please?

Different way of looking at the same thing. I would think more people understand measure than whole though.

benstat


Ah yes, that makes sense. Thanks. I'll play around with some different time signatures. I don't venture out of 4/4 all that much (which is probably a poor reflection on my compositional capabilities)!

There are a lot of ways to look at this. Though a whole note is the "whole" measure, I have no idea how Sonar sees it, though I presume whole always snaps to 1.

I actually just tried it and it has strange behavior. No matter than the signature above 4 it is, it always snaps to 1 and 5.  Measure always snaps to one. I can't really see any reason for the snap to 5 to ever come into play.

10Ten


I actually just tried it and it has strange behavior. No matter than the signature above 4 it is, it always snaps to 1 and 5.  Measure always snaps to one. I can't really see any reason for the snap to 5 to ever come into play.

Just trying it myself with some odd time signatures. I agree that 'Measure' works as expected, but I can't figure out 'Whole' just yet. I fear it may have more to do with my lack of understanding of music theory, than anything to do with Sonar.

OK, I think I recall someone saying there was a bug in there as well.

Probably best to wait to learn the actual intention... and then compare that to what you experience.

best regards,
mike

benstat


I may be having a stupid moment, but what's the difference between 'Measure' and 'Whole' in the snap settings please?

FWIW, I use "Whole" as my default - which works well with things like moving clips that start on upbeats to the same place "within" a measure.  I think Measure treats it differently but I'm not at my DAW to confirm (will be soon though).
 
The only time I need to change that is when I do need a subdivision boundary (16th as example).
 
 

Musically, a whole note is 4 crotchets. A measure (or bar) is given by the time signature. In 6/8 time, a measure is six quavers. In 3/4, a measure is 3 crotchets.

Sonar gets it wrong. In 3/4 time, if the snap is set to whole, then the first snap is at 1:01 and the second is at 2:01, which is only three crotchets away, not 4. Same for time signatures other than 4/4.

The most common time signature is 4/4, and it is only in this time signature that a whole note and a measure are the same length - unless you want to count 8/8 :)

Cheers, Peter.

groovey1

benstat

groovey1


I think it's that a whole note is 4 beats, so it will be the same as a measure in 4/4 ... and something else in every other time signature.

Not quite. I chose 6/4 and then it snapped to 4th, 2nd, 4th, 2nd and so on.

Edit: Hold on, that's not right. I meant in 6/4 it snaps to 4th, then whole, 4th, then whole etc.

Hmm ... that sounds kind of strange. I would expected it to snap to 1, then 5 of the same measure, then 3 of the next measure, then 1 of the measure after that. I'm also somebody who rarely ventures outside of 4/4 so I'll have to play around with it this evening.

It does 1,5, 1,5,1,5,1,5,1, 5...

Yep - "snap to" whole note seems definitely broken.

In 9/4 it snaps to 1:1:000, 1:5:000, 1:9:000 (all correct) then 2:1:000 (wrong - should be 2:4:000).

I've used 9/4 in the past but never noticed this - possibly because I've not had cause to snap to what my UK musical training taught me is called a "breve" and Americans call a "whole note".

Time to put in a bug report, I think.

Measure is what the "suits you sir" fellows do and Whole is that band that Kurt Cobain's ditzy wife was in...only without the W.

Measure = Always the first beat of the measure no matter what.

Whole note = in 6/8 time, the eight note gets one beat. A whole note is hardly ever used in 6/8 time.  If you wanted to cover the entire measure in 6/8 time, you would use a dotted half note.  A whole note would actually have 2 and 2/3 beats.

A time signature of 5/8 - the whole note does not get 5 beats.

In conclusion, only snap to whole notes when you know exactlly what you are really doing.