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So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
What you're seeing is part of a long-term strategy that no one in the forums has figured out, and that's excellent...because it means the competition probably hasn't figured it out either. A lot of people here claim to understand business and therefore say concepts like lifetime updates can't work. But there have already been proofs of concept of lifetime updates...last time I looked, Image-Line, Microsoft, Apple, and others are still in business. They make more from compelling add-ons than they made from OS updates. It's not rocket science. But also, you can't claim to understand a business if you have no access to the data involved in that business. The speculations in this forum have virtually no value because they're based on no facts, no figures, and no idea of the road map that's planned for the next few months and years. I've been poking around Cakewalk and have a pretty good idea of all of the above. And no, I'm not going to tell you, any more than I'm going to email all of Cakewalk's competitors and say "Listen up, folks! You better be ready to counter these upcoming initiatives, so here they are!" People say "How can SONAR possibly compete with Logic, which is subsidized by Apple so it costs only $199?" Well, maybe there are areas where Apple is not paying attention. For what it's worth... - People said that Cakewalk would be out of business in a year after Gibson bought the company. I disagreed. Cakewalk is still in business.
- People said Cakewalk would never be able to deliver monthly updates. I disagreed. Cakewalk delivered monthly updates.
- People said staff view was a dead issue and there would never be any fixes. I disagreed. Several Staff View fixes have been made.
- People said Cakewalk would just take the money from membership and once they had the money, not feel obligated to deliver anything. I disagreed. Look what Cakewalk has delivered in the past year.
Feel free to believe the negative people who have been consistently wrong in the past. Just hope they're not financial advisors  Granted, nothing is ever a slam dunk. A meteor could hit Boston and wipe out the dev team. Look what happened to the economy after 9/11. An antibiotic-resistant bacteria could kill 80% of the world's population, and people would have, shall we say, other things on their minds than whether if they signed up for membership in April 2015, skipped three months, rejoined, then changed their socks while upgrading from Artist to Platinum and changed to monthly payments, are they still eligible to save $46.12 on lifetime updates. For those who really are musicians, just remember any time spent speculating without data is time that could have been spent making music. Peace out. I need to work on some things you don't know about
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 00:11:58
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Anderton
For those who really are musicians, just remember any time spent speculating without data is time that could have been spent making music.
Peace out. I need to work on some things you don't know about
This is basically me. I don't have time for all of the drama. I am so happy to have these tools that were not available to me back in the 80's. Why waste all of the time whining when I can have fun creating.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 00:35:02
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After 12 hrs of thinking on it, I can see that an OSX version of Sonar is great for Gibson Brands. It's been clear for a long time that Gibson has no interest in being just a guitar company. When you look at the acquisitions they have made it's clear they want to be everywhere in the music chain. They have instruments, microphones, monitors, I/O hardware and everything in between. There are a lot of unknowns as Craig has pointed out. But if Gibson now want to be everywhere in the recording and production chain, they need to be on the desk at as many recording studio's as possible. So IF a majority of studio's run Mac computers, then they need Mac software. I have no idea if Macs are that big, but if it's true then I'm willing to bet Gibson told Cakewalk to get them a Mac DAW. The rest of the announcement is something that will shake out. Cakewalk has delivered a lot in the last year. But people generally hate change and we've experienced a lot of change in the last 18 months. I personally don't think the Platinum price point really lived up to my expectations, but that's me. I can only speculate that they will flatten the product structure so that there's just a light version and a flag ship, all in Mac and PC formats. Things like the LP comp and EQ will never be part of a monthly update cycle again. Everything that can be bolted on will cost money, and that makes sense as well. IT's going to replace the annual renewal money. As changes are made there will be under the hood mods required to run the new stuff. I think that is what will become our core product updates. Changes that are made to optimize the system and handle new add-ons. But as Craig said, I/we don't know, and aren't privy to the inside information. But it sure makes sense to me from a business perspective. (EDIT) - This is not meant to be a critical series of statements, I'm actually pleased to get the lifetime deal.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 02:09:14
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I'm actually happy about a constantly updated core product. I bought the lifetime upgrades. I just don't get the complaining. At all. And the fact that they've spent so much time and effort to port it over to Mac should prove absolutely how Sonar isn't going away any time soon. All of these announcements are excellent news.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 02:20:05
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Clearly Cakewalk is not standing still or stagnating; it appears quite the opposite. I find that reassuring, and I'm anticipating great things. Thank you Craig for the "inside baseball" glimpse into how CW is approaching the future. I think this new direction will be great for users ( old and new) and the company overall.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 03:08:33
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Dear Craig, With respect your statement - "People said staff view was a dead issue and there would never be any fixes. I disagreed. Several Staff View fixes have been made." As a staff view user forever, I think one could make one of two comments about your statement either- Making a mountain out of a molehill. OR
- Gilding the lily (apologies to Shakespeare)
I hope in the new direction you make a micropayment real staff view plugin/extension. Kind regards vmw
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 03:13:41
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It's a sad fact that society complains all the time but rarely says well done.
Okay the MAC announcement is of no use to me but come on as the song goes "2 out of 3 ain't bad"
Well done Cakewalk you hvae listened to us and I think you are going in the right direction.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 03:40:27
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I might not have been long term user by some peoples standards, but iv used Sonar since Sonar 7 after switching from Cubase. I've tried pro tools, while its a great program that i will not bad mouth, it didnt work with me like Sonar does. Sonars grown greatly in my eyes and when my clients and friends ask what program i use and say "sonar" they usually stare at me blankly not knowing what it is, but they soon find out ;). Ill be working on a project and someone will come over and say like "Wt* program is that? that looks dope"(i deal mostly with rappers), and iv managed to convert a few people over to it and haven't had any come back and complain yet.
Job well done Sonar, i appreciate everything y'all have come out with and helping me prove to all these DAW fanboys that its more your knowledge and how you use the tools available to you rather than just using "industry standard". My clients cant tell what program it is after the finished product comes out lol.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 03:57:01
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☄ Helpfulby John 2016/06/02 04:56:13
Well said Craig. I did however notice that my Lifetime Membership is valid only until 2037. Is that a clue as to when the world will end? You guys have inside info, doncha?
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 04:57:20
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2016/06/02 16:58:07
Cakewalk to my knowledge has never gone back on their word. Of all the companies around CW has shown great integrity and stands head and shoulders above all the others. Its also clear that Graig would never associate himself with a company that stretches the truth or leaves their customers wanting.
Contrast CW and Gibson with support for Apple Macs with how Apple adsorbed Emagic than dropped all PC support in all software and hardware Emagic sold. CW is offering lifetime updates to its loyal members at a very modest fee and when the Mac version is out it will be available to all lifetime users. People this is the very essence of integrity.
I don't know how CW can afford to do this but I do believe them completely that they will. When one has this kind of relationship with a company it makes sense to treasure it.
I am proud to be a member and also a host here because I completely believe in this company. I have watched it grow through the years. I have seen it weather some hard times. (Recall the roll out of Sonar X1.) Recall how much they were attacked. All they asked was our patients. There were a number that could not or would not do that.
What you all see here is the fruit of you patients and loyalty. But it would have not been possible if the company itself was not fully committed to its customer base.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 05:23:18
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I hope part of what we "don't know" about involves expanding Sonar from the DAW idea (recording/mixing/mastering as main focus) to being an engine that better supports the breadth of music creation at a more fundamental level. Computers are powerful enough to provide a variety of artificial intelligence supports for music creation. Maybe Gibson could acquire Cognitone (music "prototyping" software) and make better use of the embedded ideas. There is a boatload of discretionary money out there for companies willing to break out of current conceptual boxes. I am confident Gibson has an innovative strategic path in mind, and I'll be very interested to see (eventually) what Craig is working on.
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2016/06/02 05:57:01
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I love SONAR, even more now than I did in 1993 when I first started using Cakewalk for Windows 3.1, (after struggling with Master Tracks Pro). Synced with my 8-track and then my TASCAM DA-88 (using some little weird gray box/interface), it was a dream come true after years of cramming "live" Ensoniq MIDI sequences and audio onto Sony "Sound-on-Sound" stereo reel-to-reels and cassette Porta-studios. Then came the advent of recording digital audio with Cakewalk Pro Audio 4 on my Costco computer using my brand new stereo duplex (yes - 2 full tracks simultaneous playback and record) "Card D+." And at that time I was blown away with the possibilities. Now, ho hum, almost everybody's got an opinion on how and why and what Cakewalk should be doing. But guess what -- IT IS MAGIC. The current state of SONAR Platinum (I just paid less than a hundred bucks for a lifetime of it) is nothing short of astounding and I am very grateful to have this tool (and all the included mini-tools within it) at my disposal day and night for all my musical whims and fantasies. A sincere 2+ decades of thanks to Mr. Hendershott and the whole TwelveTones/Cakewalk team, past and present, for the gift of their geek brain efforts. My only complaint is that "Dan and Joey's Excellent June 1 Adventure" will probably never have a sequel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z34jFoCQCvg&feature=youtu.be&_bta_tid=3.TPY.CDxNig.CLbS.APKMIA..Ayyjmg.b..s.ASPJ.n...AnNu1A&_bta_c=eaznqkct7hlsol9h6iba6uj8et5g2 Aloha, Bill
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 09:03:33
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BRainbow, I also got on board at the Cakewalk for Windows 3.1, loved your history and gear lineup you detailed, although mine was a bit different. Used CW on a Packard Bell computer I bought at Lechemere;s in Boston (both company and department store are long gone). The world was so different then. I connected to Compuserve and shared music files for the first time, etc., even wound up with a large, commissioned music project because of that collaboration, all done with Cakewalk for Windows. Throught the years of upgrading it's been fascinating to see how much progress has been made. That being said, I have also gravitated to the Apple universe in recent years, mostly due to iPhones and iPads, but now I even have a little Mac Mini for non-music use. I would love to augment my rig with a Macbook Pro or Macbook Air, and be able to use it on gigs with projects developed on Cakewalk. I also use my iPad for live performance, scratch pad composing, and I see this as the future (and already here). To have CW join the Apple universe and with cross-platform compatibility (and one user license for both versions!) I think this is a win-win.
My only problem is that in a year or so I will be in the market to finally upgrade my DAW computer (custom built), and while I'm still leaning towards sticking with a PC for this due to the value, I very well might change my mind. Really I'm only using my PC in my studio, for everything else now, I use my mac and my i-devices. I'm thrilled at the possibliities for the future. I understand some folks might have been expecting something different, but believe me, people have been crying for years about having CW on a MAC. It will put Cakewalk in the same league (by reputation) with other Mac-centric studios, and I also think it will convert some Pro Tools, Logic, and other users to Cakewalk.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/06/02 11:55:16
Anderton
Peace out. I need to work on some things you don't know about
I'm working on an anti-mortality potion! I'm getting my money's worth from my new lifetime subscription :-D
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 09:10:05
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Thank you, Craig. Well said.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 09:21:01
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Anderton
Peace out. I need to work on some things you don't know about
I hope it's a flamed desert burst LP Custom with gold Sonar logo fretboard inlays!!
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 09:29:31
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I love SONAR and what Cakewalk is doing currently. SONAR is already a superb music tool for music creation but Bakers can still make improvements month after month - not just bug fixes but also workflow improvements such as the new swipe thing, static console view bottom area etc. I have noticed improvements in the core functioning, too: now SONAR lets me edit clips on the fly without audio distortion or drop outs. Enhancement in export audio dialog was also very welcome for me ("follow source" thing).
And now there's that lifetime update offer which is almost too good to be true. Competition on the DAW market must be hard! I hope Cakewalk gets new customers by the Mac version. They deserve it.
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2016/06/02 09:32:36
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Tangent - what does "follow source" do? I only noticed it a couple of days ago, and can't find any documentation on it.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 10:30:54
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Good post Craig. I do find it amusing that people can have pages and pages of discussion and heated debates over topics which they have no clue what they're talking about, such as the financial health of Cakewalk's business. I'm interested to see how the "lifetime update" concept works out. I was not a big fan of the yearly subscription model, and I also tend to not like micro-transactions. I tend to like a more traditional setup where you buy a program and know exactly what you're getting, and then they next year or two is just updates that are free. EDIT: I realize that the subscription model has nothing to do with microtransactions. :) But I'm just a hobby user and don't use a lot of the fancy features anyway. Anyway, I wish Cakewalk the best of luck with this new model. I think striking the right balance between "base" features and "add-on" features will be critical. One thing that will help by going to Mac OS is that the bigger the user pool, the lower the add-on prices can be. If the Prochannel pack was $79 instead of $179 for example, I'd be more interested in purchasing it.
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2016/06/02 10:37:51
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John T
Tangent - what does "follow source" do? I only noticed it a couple of days ago, and can't find any documentation on it.
It's used to export tracks: target format is mono, stereo or follow source.
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2016/06/02 10:40:09
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I don't love writing checks. I've had lifetime subscriptions payoff... Media Monkey for example. I've also been robbed by people who just change the product name and say the new product is not the old product.
There are things I want and don't have. I could like Sonar more. It is largely sufficient to make my hobby fun though.
I chose to go with the lifetime thing because I could afford the gamble.
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2016/06/02 10:43:05
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☄ Helpfulby stevethompson 2016/06/03 10:24:02
John
Cakewalk to my knowledge has never gone back on their word.
Just going to point out that there were a number of upset people when they changed the date they clearly published in their marketing materials that a certain price would be available til. Cakewalk didn't honor the original publication. However, I'll point out that while I don't know the details of Cake's strategy. I am one that has argued a number of points Craig made in the OP, even before he made this post. It would have been a lot easier to argue for doom and gloom if the lifetime updates was not also at the same time as the company making a strategic move to include a MAC product which says to anyone with half a brain, they are serious about staying competitive and moving forward in the market. If I was doing the marketing, I would have made it more clear in the press release that Both versions will be available under one license, as I had to read through forum posts to get that information. I also noted, that a lifetime update model is certainly sustainable, and quite frankly already proven as long as you can draw new customers in, which is easier quite frankly when you offer things like Lifetime updates. Cake made a number of posts here early on that the long term plan was they were doing away with versions and this Artist, Professional, Producer was the future. The outrage if they offered lifetime updates at a price then discontinued the product to move to basically the same DAW concept under a new name and told the user base they need to buy the new software from the ground up would devastate the company - so you can make a pretty strong bet that isn't going to happen.
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2016/06/02 11:22:46
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BRainbow
I love SONAR, even more now than I did in 1993 when I first started using Cakewalk for Windows 3.1, (after struggling with Master Tracks Pro). Synced with my 8-track and then my TASCAM DA-88 (using some little weird gray box/interface), it was a dream come true after years of cramming "live" Ensoniq MIDI sequences and audio onto Sony "Sound-on-Sound" stereo reel-to-reels and cassette Porta-studios. Then came the advent of recording digital audio with Cakewalk Pro Audio 4 on my Costco computer using my brand new stereo duplex (yes - 2 full tracks simultaneous playback and record) "Card D+." And at that time I was blown away with the possibilities.
Now, ho hum, almost everybody's got an opinion on how and why and what Cakewalk should be doing. But guess what -- IT IS MAGIC. The current state of SONAR Platinum (I just paid less than a hundred bucks for a lifetime of it) is nothing short of astounding and I am very grateful to have this tool (and all the included mini-tools within it) at my disposal day and night for all my musical whims and fantasies.
A sincere 2+ decades of thanks to Mr. Hendershott and the whole TwelveTones/Cakewalk team, past and present, for the gift of their geek brain efforts. My only complaint is that "Dan and Joey's Excellent June 1 Adventure" will probably never have a sequel.
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Aloha,
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 11:38:41
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For those who really are musicians, just remember any time spent speculating without data is time that could have been spent making music.
Well stated and to the point Craig, your whole post. But the line I liked best is the one quoted above. In fact, I would say that for a musician who uses software or any other tools for that matter, any time spent speculating business matters even with all the data is futile unless one is a direct financial stakeholder. All that could be well spent making music and exploring the world as it is. I use Sonar because I love the application, not because someone forced me too. One could buy all the software in the market and sit on a pile of 15 DAWs, 5,000 soft synths, 10,000 effect plugins, etc., if one could afford that financially. Who's stopping one from doing that ? So all this speculation is meaningless for a user who rather can stay focused on making the best of what's available right here, right now. After all, nobody knows whats going to happen tomorrow anyways. Its not rocket science to understand that when a lifetime commitment is provided for anything, its just the intent and sincerity that's expressed, which then relies on the trust of the buyers. Its one's choice to either trust or not. At the moment, I choose to trust Cakewalk based on my personal experience of the last 3 to 4 years of using Sonar right from X1 LE to the latest Platinum. If my experience hadn't been good, I could have gone for another DAW anytime anyways, no one stopped me. I stayed with Sonar because it got better and better in terms of the way I like to do things. As far as the announcements go, clearly the #SONAR4Life and #SONAR4You are great news for me and I trust that the bakers will continue to enhance Sonar under the Windows platform. I was never inclined to go for a Mac computer anyways so #SONAR4Mac isn't anything exciting for me at the moment. Having said that, I can see it could be instrumental in widening the user base of Cakewalk which I am very happy about. And who knows, some day if I do decide to buy a Mac computer, I will have the version of my favorite DAW in that too. In fact, a Sonar Mac version could be the only reason why I may even consider buying a Mac. All in all, it looks positive for me. Would be great if Cakewalk come up with a lite version for Android too, what with so many android users today and DAWs competing in that platform too. I for one would pounce on a Sonar android version if it was available. 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 12:02:31
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John
Cakewalk to my knowledge has never gone back on their word.
I would have made it more clear in the press release that Both versions will be available under one license, as I had to read through forum posts to get that information.
What part of "free lifetime updates on all future versions of SONAR" confused you? That was stated in the offer email. It was (finally) darn clear to me that a Mac version was on the horizon. And since Mixbus, Studio One and Reaper all offer a single multi-platform license, I was sure CW would follow suit. 
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 12:36:19
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+1000
back to making music... will not visit the main threads again. This said it all...
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 12:49:38
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Well said Craig.
I for one have never been treated badly by Sonar and have the highest regard for Sonar as a product and company.
Therefore when they say lifetime core updates I get that, appreciate it and purchased it when I saw how much they were asking in my account..
I do not need another soft synth or reverb bundled in a monthly update.
Thanks Cake
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 12:52:46
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I do not need another soft synth or reverb bundled in a monthly update.
And the beauty is, for those that want it that option STILL exists too.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 12:56:29
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bapu
Brian Walton
John
Cakewalk to my knowledge has never gone back on their word.
I would have made it more clear in the press release that Both versions will be available under one license, as I had to read through forum posts to get that information.
What part of "free lifetime updates on all future versions of SONAR" confused you? That was stated in the offer email. It was (finally) darn clear to me that a Mac version was on the horizon. And since Mixbus, Studio One and Reaper all offer a single multi-platform license, I was sure CW would follow suit.
While it was my assumption, it was not an emphatic statement without possible loopholes in the announcement page (I never got an email, I just upgraded after the announcement). The following statements included things like this: Are Lifetime Updates available only for SONAR Platinum?Yes, currently, Lifetime Updates are only available if you buy, upgrade, or crossgrade to SONAR Platinum. Be sure that when you’re adding SONAR Platinum to your cart, you choose the product called “SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates).” As someone who has worked with a number of high end contracts, I can tell you what they put out in the marketing spread was no 100% guarantee they would offer users the ability to have both under the same license for life and could be used on different computers one at a time by the same user. Yes, that would be my assumption, but it could easily be argued against by a lawyer. Some of the posts by Cake employees cleared up the question though. The MAC version presented for alpha certainly does not have Platinum functionality (lack of 3rd party support), and they even seem to call it something else. SONAR OS X Alpha. Not everyone is as detailed as I am. But my points are rational.
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Re: So Here's What Some People Don't Understand About the Three Announcements
2016/06/02 13:02:48
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"loopholes" "wormholes" "black holes"
Three things I couldn't care less about.
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