Beepster
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So how should I burn in my new monitors...
I think I'm gonna hook these bad boys up tomorrow (Mackie MR5MK2's) and get the juice flowing. Any advice on what I should push through them to get them on the way to a proper burn in? I love all music as long as it's good. I'm thinking some good ole' Rush will hammer in a good bulk of the frequency range.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 22:31:00
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 23:10:40
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that is nothing compared to this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9rqBJ3K-Cs and in my opinion this was them at their rarest,raw form,and without the man neil peart yet. the first drummer was a little more laid back and blues,then the technical peart who ofcoarse is the corner stone of best drummers of all time. finding my way the first song by rush id ever heard of this album and i was sold. listen to geddys vocals,just screaming crunch auesome. but most impressive is alex's solos on tunes life this one,working man and my favorite "need some love" that song single handedly made me want to go out and buy a guitar(well that and joe perrys leads on train kept a rollin,hes a hometown boy from my boston)
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 23:29:19
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Yup... awesome album. I know a guy who was supposedly involved with the Rush boys before Geddy. I just took it as tall tales but the guy SMOKED those four strings and had a few people backing his story. Geddy however rounded that shiz out nicely and completely. Would not have happened without Geddy. He influenced Claypool heavily too whom I absolutely love as well.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 23:38:16
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Radio hash (between stations) is good for running-in speakers. It has a good range and is generally musically superior to what you'll hear when the radio is on-station. Turn it up then just disappear for the weekend. David
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 23:41:24
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Interesting. I rarely leave my studio room though so that could get a little annoying... and probably wreck my ears/brain. lulz...
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/24 23:43:19
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Would that work at lower volumes? I've read 50 hours use time is when you can consider your monitors burnt in. Gotta do some headphones too but obviously that's a little less obnoxious.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:12:11
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I guess the idea is to get the cone moving. In the past I've just cleared out for a couple of days. Let's see what others say.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:22:11
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I've always used colored noise at high levels - brown noise usually - for a few days. It's really annoying.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:31:35
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At the risk of running counter to years of entrenched internet mythology, I have to point out that speaker burn-in is nothing more than that: a persistent myth. Whatever physical change happens to a new speaker when it's first turned on happens within the first 30 seconds of operation, and it happens at the manufacturing plant. However, there is enormous value in listening to your new speakers for extended periods. It takes weeks or even months to fully train your ears to a new speaker system, so what better way to get started than with some Rush. Though I'd suggest that after that you move on to include as broad a selection of references as you have access to.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:37:46
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I just did my daily cache clear/reboot so I was contemplating the comments while logged out. I thought to myself... "Self, perhaps you could just toss some earplugs in and crank some white noise for a few hours a day while mucking about with other things". But now? I think I'm gonna listen to the dude with the beard and just rock the frack out. \m/ PS: People were saying nice things about you earlier Mr. Bitflipper. Cheers.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:42:28
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To be honest I have never heard of it. I think it may be something left over from the guitar speaker days when new speakers were a bit stiff and after use they did sound better. But a lot of modern active monitors use speakers that the suspensions are rather nice anyway right from day one and don't really need a burn in. And besides it might be something they do at the factory anyway just to give them a little workout before they send them off. I think as Dave correctly says it is much more about you getting used to a pair of new speakers and how they sound. Cars in the old days needed to be run in that was for sure. I bought a car back in 1978 and I was not allowed to go over 80K/hour for the first few thousand k's or so. It is not the same now. I recently got a new Toyota Corolla and it did NOT need to be run it. It just went like the wind from day one! Mind you I am gentle with cars anyway but it did feel like it was already run in to a certain extent. Save yourself and others the hassle and just get down to using them and get into some work. I doubt you will hear the speakers change over time. There are many other factors remember that will influence your final sound, not speakers burning in.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 00:49:28
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I actually read through the manual today too which was pretty detailed and there was no mention of burn in. That seems to be something Mackie would mention... especially considering all the other finite details they went into in regards to placement and tweaking the high/low frequency switches if something wasn't right... and then took great pains to point out that by doing so you could inadvertently mix brighter or muddier than you intend... so yeah. I guess that's a bit of a greenlight. Just took you guys to really drive the idea home.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 01:45:18
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Burn-in is a hi-fi buff thing. I always did it cause that's what you did. It may well be that Bitflipper is perfectly correct: God knows, there is a power of a lot of hocus-pocus in hi-fi! Which somehow brings us back to room treatment, doesn't it? :-) David
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 02:16:38
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First time I've heard about it... If you want to do any experiment for us... Set your monitors together, play them both individually (in mono) and see if they sound the same. Fingers crossed they sound exactly the same. Then 'burn in' one of them for 50 hours. Then compare. But I personally wouldn't bother doing this cause I'd be so excited to use them that I'm sure I'd burn them in (if this does happen) within a few days anyway!
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 03:15:45
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Right on guys. Yeah these things are pretty modern (I think the woofers are some kind of resin) so perhaps the old burn in trick isn't such an issue. Besides... they'll be getting enough of a sonic bashing in the months to come. I did just realize though I don't have any tunes on this system (and don't really want to load it up with anything other then projects) so I'm gonna have to pull down my case of CDs and just pop them into the DVD burner like a luddite. AND I'll have to either figure out how to route Media Player to the Layla or dig out a TRS to RCA adapter and hook them up to the onboard sound (which wouldn't give me the balance signal I want). I use to just do this stuff through a mixer or an external stereo. Oi. It's always something. lulz...
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 03:31:08
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One of the best things you can do is listen to a lot of well recorded and mastered reference material on your speakers before you get stuck into using them for your own work. That way you will form a sonic picture of what a great mix sounds like on them. Then when it comes time to do your own stuff you will have a frame of reference. Don't forget Steely Dan either LOL!  (" Everything Must Go") Of course even while you mix and master your own work there is nothing to stop you from dropping the odd ref material in here and there.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 04:05:16
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True enough. Maybe I'll rip a bunch of material I've listened to millions of times on various systems over the years to train my ears to adjust. Some of this stuff I can play back almost exactly in my mind just from memory (many whole albums I ached over learning to sing and play for live acts) so that would be perfect one would think. I have such a varied taste too it should cover most styles and frequencies. Cheers.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 04:17:39
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Beepster I think I'm gonna hook these bad boys up tomorrow (Mackie MR5MK2's) and get the juice flowing. Any advice on what I should push through them to get them on the way to a proper burn in? I love all music as long as it's good. I'm thinking some good ole' Rush will hammer in a good bulk of the frequency range. Advice how to setup and get to hear the sound of the new Active monitors. 1. Turn ON the active new monitors. 2. Check, play some music to hear everything is setup correctly, okay, balanced correctly etc... 3. Get some protective ear plugs so you don't kill your ears. 4. Play as loud/hot as your new monitors can take so it "they" almost duck. Dance music, POP music, what ever....much BASS with the protective ear plugs on of course. 5. Run it Hot/ laud signal 100-120db or up as high you can go for about 5-10 min time etc. 6. Now lower the signal to a more medium normal Mixing volume and take of the ear plugs. 7. Listen on the speaker again. Now you can hear it a new crisp way. The monitors have worked hard and got pushed. 8. have monitors ON...don't shut them OFF the coming 3 days or more. After 3 days or more you will hear HOW THEY actually sounds. Hope it helps!
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 07:49:11
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Freddie H Beepster I think I'm gonna hook these bad boys up tomorrow (Mackie MR5MK2's) and get the juice flowing. Any advice on what I should push through them to get them on the way to a proper burn in? I love all music as long as it's good. I'm thinking some good ole' Rush will hammer in a good bulk of the frequency range. Advice how to setup and get to hear the sound of the new Active monitors. 1. Turn ON the active new monitors. 2. Check, play some music to hear everything is setup correctly, okay, balanced correctly etc... 3. Get some protective ear plugs so you don't kill your ears. 4. Play as loud/hot as your new monitors can take so it "they" almost duck. Dance music, POP music, what ever....much BASS with the protective ear plugs on of course. 5. Run it Hot/ laud signal 100-120db or up as high you can go for about 5-10 min time etc. 6. Now lower the signal to a more medium normal Mixing volume and take of the ear plugs. 7. Listen on the speaker again. Now you can hear it a new crisp way. The monitors have worked hard and got pushed. 8. have monitors ON...don't shut them OFF the coming 3 days or more. After 3 days or more you will hear HOW THEY actually sounds. Hope it helps! And then you bust your brand new monitors cause you had ear plugs on and couldn't hear the damage you were doing to them... Seriously, I think they'll wear in just fine without the need for cranking them right up to their max for a good 5-10 mins. It just seems so not worth it to me...
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 08:38:47
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I agree with Bit & Jeff... I think this is a myth too. Perhaps this was true in the old days when speaker comes were the same as the suspension, but these days the cone is the cone and it's supported by a much more flexible and durable material. Learning the sound of the speakers is much more important so start playing music and mixing on them. I don't think I have ever turned my speakers up more then 50% ever. There is no need to play them loud when working and mixing.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 08:44:36
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There is no reason to "burn in" speakers. The only thing I think might happen is you blow them.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 08:50:43
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I dunno, I kinda want this myth to be true. I've bought a fair number of speakers and while they always sounded "wow" in the store, I usually get a dissapointing "meh" moment when I fire up the new pair at home or wherever (talking about all kinds of different rooms here). And after a couple of days of playback, it's back to "wow" again! I'm the biggest audiophoolery sceptic there ever was, and maybe it's just my brain that's burning in to the sound of the speakers, but I kinda want to believe that they were actually changing. No one who've ever come to visit seems to ever have been "meh" about my quite expensive hi-fi...
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 08:59:35
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SvenArne I dunno, I kinda want this myth to be true. I've bought a fair number of speakers and while they always sounded "wow" in the store, I usually get a dissapointing "meh" moment when I fire up the new pair at home or wherever (talking about all kinds of different rooms here). And after a couple of days of playback, it's back to "wow" again! I'm the biggest audiophoolery sceptic there ever was, and maybe it's just my brain that's burning in to the sound of the speakers, but I kinda want to believe that they were actually changing. No one who've ever come to visit seems to ever have been "meh" about my quite expensive hi-fi... One could explain that in many ways. The store is a different acoustic environment for one. Your ears are adjusting to the sound. There are lots of reasons a speaker may sound different at different places and times. The only way to know is test them with a spectrum analysis instrument plus testing for distortion over time. The speakers should not change in there innate characteristics. If that did happen no one could trust a monitor ever. Edit to add. Jeff has the best advice on training your ears for your new speakers. Only I would suggest Dark Side of the Moon. LOL
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 09:32:18
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No need to go for the burn unless they give some instruction. However you should stand on one leg and rub the top of your head and tummy in different directions. It makes the cones more responsive.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 09:40:05
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Yes but you also have to stand sideways to the speakers too. This is the most important element. Neglecting to do this can cause unexpected results.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 09:43:08
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Never heard of "speaker burn in" before. To what advantage?
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 09:49:54
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Adam suggest this Question: How long does it take to burn-in my ADAM speakers? Answer: Loudspeakers include movable parts. Therefore, they need a certain 'burn-in time' for a full excursion and adaption of these parts. After this burn-in time, the speakers reach their full acoustic potential. To break-in your speakers, it is advisable to feed them with music signals of a broad frequency spectrum and different volumes for a certain period of time: Up to one week for a 'normal' burn-in.Up to four weeks for a reliable long-term consistency. However, no responsibility can be taken for the correctness of this information since it always depends on both frequency and sound pressure level of the speakers usage. Furthermore, the real time a speaker needs to burn in is, to some extend, always due to the specific speaker itself.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 09:51:02
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In other words - just use it.
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Re:So how should I burn in my new monitors...
2012/05/25 10:40:43
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Thats if he doesnt need help on how to switch em on!!
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