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2014/12/06 16:02:54 (permalink)

So many bland cover versions being released

And they all seem to be sung by the same girl with a painfully bland American Idol style singing voice. A little while earlier I heard her singing an almost inconceivably boring version of Wham's "Last Christmas" (hardly a great song to begin with although an Xmas classic). Just now in Starbucks I heard what sounded like the exact same girl singing a Joni Mitchell classic with the same bland instrumentation behind her. What's the point? Apart from selling a few downloads that is.

The sad thing is the thought of kids thinking these are original songs and never having heard the original. I remember years ago shocking someone by playing them the original Fleetwood Mac "Dreams," which they assumed was a cover of a Corrs song.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 16:37:08 (permalink)
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 16:40:40 (permalink)
Agreed. It's lazy and self indulgent. It partciularly annoys me when artists who have established their own little public "personalities" and takes on life and shoved them down everyones throat through the media then cover songs with specific meanings that are counter to their vapid nonsense without any irony whatsoever.
 
Not really related to that rant but this made me think of the intro sequences to that show Weeds where they had various artists do their own versions of "Little Boxes". Many were crap but some were quite interesting. Most of even the good ones though, IMO, weren't as soulful, impactful and fulfilling as the original(s) performed with simply an acoustic guitar and an angsty vocalist really believing in what was being sung.
 
I like doing covers and used to make decent money doing so live but if I were a popular artist signed to a major label releasing one for broad human consumption I would make darned sure it was at least somewhat as interesting and artistic as the original... if not more so. Cripes... they WROTE THE SONG FOR YOU!! The least you could do is make it sparkle.
 
Like I said... lazy and self indulgent. Keep that crap in your bedroom/shower if you aren't even gonna try.
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 17:02:39 (permalink)
Musical equivalent of the zillion remakes of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."
 
Do you think people go to Starbucks to get gritty renditions of original gems with their coffee and wi-fi?  
 
I am personally underwhelmed by Tony Bennett trying to reinvent himself, and hoping no one will notice his constricted range, by partnering with only recently has-been megastars like Gaga. If I wanted Tony singing schmaltz, there is an impressive discography made when he still had a voice.
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 17:09:24 (permalink)
I've always dug doing covers, but there needs to be some kind of artistic purpose, they have to be something that helps express a broader "vision". 
 
But nowadays, people don't even have enough imagination to find their own cover - they all cover the same songs.
 

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 17:13:35 (permalink)
This will probably show how "current" I am as far as the top of the pops these days (not very) but the one cover that used to drive me nuts was Lenny Kravitz' "American Woman". I liked Lenny's early stuff and "AW" wasn't even a song I REALLY liked but it was pretty decent and gritty but that version? Oh man... it was so uninspired. It was like a crummy studio afterthought or a line check or something yet it got played on the radio CONSTANTLY. Of course I was working in a retail joint at the time that blasted the rock station during business hours so I had to suffer through it half a dozen times a day. Yeesh.
 
Edit: You know... I just realized why that darned tune was played all the time. It was probably a CanCon (Canadian Content law) thing. Same reason, as much as I love Rush, I had to suffer through Tom Sawyer and whatnot multiple times a day. Still better than freaking Patio Lanterns by Kim Mitchell I guess. PLAY SOME FREAKING WEBSTER ONCE IN A WHILE YOU TURDS!!!
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 17:44:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2014/12/07 12:51:51
I think that if you are going to the trouble of recording a cover, you should live with the song and internalize it. So that when you perform it, it becomes your song. Totally re-imagine it, if you can. A good song deserves no less.
 
Here is an all-time favorite cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RnjWLVyMps
 
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 18:09:41 (permalink)
Another example that springs to mind is Maxwell's cover of Kate Bush's "A Woman's Work." The guy has a great voice and the production is great, but it seems to me he took so much of the subtle nuance of the original melody in his translation into a modern vocal style. But this is my beef with the modem vocal style - the melody takes a back seat to the embellishment and decoration instead of the other way around. Vocalists are trying too hard to add emotion and feeling to their tracks and it comes across as manufactured. Instead of feeling the song, they're squinting their eyes and looking pained and doing that thing with their hands that looks like a tennis elbow exercise. Reminds me of a guitarist I used to know who would tilt his head upwards with closed eyes during a solo, yet what he was playing was decidedly mediocre.

But this is all symptomatic of the philosophical failure of modern times. People have it all backwards. They think that success is the product of an inflated self esteem rather than the other way around.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 18:24:54 (permalink)
Ah yes... Wibbly Warbler syndrome. Everyone thinks they're a BLEEPin' R&B virtuoso these days.
 
There is a fine line between soulful motown inspired wails/vibratos and vocal masturbation.
 
I'm no vocal genius but anything I've read on the subject clearly states excessive vibrato is usually a sign of hackery and covering up the inability to hit and properly sustain a note. It is discouraged until the performer can actually sing and then, and only then, it should be employed sparingly and tastefully.
 
The saddest part is many of these poptart clownos STILL need their shiz autotuned out the wazooli.
 
Completely unlistenable.
 
Ya' dun got me all riled up, sharke. :-/
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 18:36:35 (permalink)
If you're anything like me Beepster, you love being riled 
 
Ah yes... Wibbly Warbler syndrome. Everyone thinks they're a BLEEPin' R&B virtuoso these days.

 
To me it just sounds like they're practicing their scales. 

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 18:47:24 (permalink)
All Along the Watchtower, covered by Hendrix. To me, that still sets the bar...
 
But out there, when a cover is hot, every one and their brother will have their shot at it. There is essentially very little difference between the established artists and karaoke night in terms of originality or repertoire.
 
Bottom feeders from top to bottom...
 
 
 
 

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 18:57:02 (permalink)
Heh... well I was a punk for many years. And not the fancy, froo froo, pretty kind.
 
But alas I must be a little more zen these days. All that recreational angst was starting to mess with the ticker and I certainly have enough to get my blood boiling without seeking out extra infuriations.
 
Still though... as a musician and a lover of quality classics I'd say watching the craft being bastardized and eroded for no good reason other than ego and money is worth a little bit of fever pitched grumbling.
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 19:26:32 (permalink)
Maybe there's an opportunity here....   a cover version contest maybe?
 
Or maybe just a poll to find the most obscure song that's not known to have been covered but should (or could) be...

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 20:07:47 (permalink)
Sharke, do you think all these overly melismatic pop singers are calling attention to themselves, rather than the song?
 
I really started disliking that style when Mariah Carey was popular. And don't get me started about Michael Bolton; no matter how good the song, he would be warbling by the 2nd line. It left him nowhere to go at the end of the song (I thought of it as vocal premature ejaculation).
 
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 20:33:06 (permalink)
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Or maybe just a poll to find the most obscure song that's not known to have been covered but should (or could) be...




That's like trying to find a band name - if you can google it, there's 99,999999999% chances that someone's thought of it before. 
 
I've given up hope of coming up with a cover that no one else has done. I do my own thing. Once I'm done with the basics, I check out what's been done, and cross my finger that nothing is in the same ball park as my version, and make my decision to go on or archive the cover based on that.
 
But maybe the difference is in that simple reflex of trying to find out- when I tried to come up with name for my projects, I'd google that name in as many variations as possible. One of them I was pretty sure was clear, and it worked perfectly with one of my projects.
 
I registered using that name on most social medias at the time, created profiles, uploaded music, pics and all. From then on, a simple Google search immediately made it obvious that there was somebody very actively making music under that name, along with media and all.
 
A couple of years later, for whatever reason, I googled my project's name and realized that a kid had started making some (very crappy I must say, even objectively) music under the same name.
 
Obviously, that fellow either didn't bother to Google the name before he used it - or, more likely, simply didn't care.
 
In fact, a lot of "artists" nowadays seem to think that it's essential to benefit from the traffic generated by search for known artists, so they'll use obvious ones like Rocky or Hulk. Every time you do a search for those established brand names, the parasites are dragged along....
 
And there's a bunch of "upcoming artists" in a couple of very specific genre who obviously have no notion of intellectual property and are absolutely clueless about names that have been used by rock bands.
 
I mean, it's one thing to be clueless about pop music of the previous decades if you're not into rock, but to call your project by the name of a well known and established rock band that's still making music? 
 
It's no longer a shame to suck up and sell out.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/06 21:08:43 (permalink)
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Maybe there's an opportunity here....   a cover version contest maybe?
 
Or maybe just a poll to find the most obscure song that's not known to have been covered but should (or could) be...




Hey, I know!  How about doing covers of all the songs from a Jethro Tull album??? 

 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 04:43:52 (permalink)
It's probably being driven by the [insert country of choice] Idol phenomena which is creating blandness and conformity in the music business.
 
Of course thinking a cover is original is nothing new. Lots of the blues rock of the late 60's and early 70's were covers of classic blues tracks but widely thought to be originals. But you can't say that Led Zeppelin and others did not add their own style and character to those songs.
 
I think live cover bands are a different issue. There are some very talented Filipino cover bands working here in Dubai. I really enjoy going to see them but I would not buy a record except as a token of appreciation for the live entertainment.
 
And one further thought. There is the concept of a Jazz Standard, songs regularly preformed by jazz singers. We are in the age of the rock standard. Its hard to find a rock cover band that does not have "Hotel California", "Sweet Child 'o mine", "All Right Now", "Wonder Wall" and "Another Brick in the Wall" as part of their repertoire.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 05:41:35 (permalink)
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I think that if you are going to the trouble of recording a cover, you should live with the song and internalize it. So that when you perform it, it becomes your song. Totally re-imagine it, if you can



Absolutely.
 
So, for possibly the 100th time, here's my favourite cover;
 

 
 

 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 06:29:05 (permalink)
There's a version of Billy Jean by Jose Feliciano, solo, not a full band, that's quite old. I've never found it on Youtube, it seems quite obscure, even though Jose Feliciano isn't and Billy Jean is as famous as a pop song can be. His rendition is simply stunning, the way he plays with the timing and moves the phrasing around, even throws in a Beatle's bridge, it's great. I don't understand why it's not so available.
 
 

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 07:20:23 (permalink)
It's the new genre of elevator-music, is it??  Propably very inexpensive to the client (?). On my working trip to Greece in november they played in many hotel restaurants the same set of songs all the time. The songs were of a wide variety, from country classics to Guns'n'Roses, but even the hardest rock songs were arranged for acoustic guitar or piano and performed by a female in a laid-back "lounge lizard" manner.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 09:15:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/12/07 15:26:14
Rain, I agree with you on a Hendrix and Watch Tower, one of the greatest covers/ redo' sever. Twist and Shout would have to be up there as well. They pretty much put it on the map and made it their own.

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 09:33:03 (permalink)
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I think that if you are going to the trouble of recording a cover, you should live with the song and internalize it. So that when you perform it, it becomes your song. Totally re-imagine it, if you can. A good song deserves no less.
  
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I think there are many reasons for one to record a cover including "making it your own".
 
It's a great learning process in many ways. What one gets out of it varies with ones abilities or what they wanted from it.
 
Many great musicians have and still record covers which is sure not something new.
I'm sure they think about how true to the original they want to stay as well as how much they want to make it there own version.
Picking out musicians or vocalist that one doesn't like is fine but to think ones way or reason is the only way I'll never agree with.
 
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 10:54:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/12/08 15:13:20
Why in Jazz are they called 'standards' and respected, but in rock and pop, called covers, and carry scepticism. I love so many covers. There is a DJ (musician/producer)in England call Tom Middleton, who I saw last decade at a festival play his 'Crazy Covers' set, so many great songs from different approaches. Was such a great set to see, and now I love hearing different versions of songs I know.
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 11:10:53 (permalink)

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 13:00:02 (permalink)
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It's the new genre of elevator-music, is it??  Propably very inexpensive to the client (?). On my working trip to Greece in november they played in many hotel restaurants the same set of songs all the time. The songs were of a wide variety, from country classics to Guns'n'Roses, but even the hardest rock songs were arranged for acoustic guitar or piano and performed by a female in a laid-back "lounge lizard" manner.




Very good point, and there are two major issues involved:
 
1. Economic. There is a law that says you have to pay the composer a licensing fee to publish a  record and a performance fee (exception broadcast radio in the US) to play them. There is no law that either the owner of the master recording copyright or the "featured artist" has to contract with an artist rights organization to collect the money, or forbidding them from contracting directly with the streaming service that is playing them. Elevator music can thus be sold as a package of recordings produced with "work for hire" musicians who do not share in any royalties, and can be licensed without having to pay those royalties to the performer or SRCO. Public play of a cover would thus incur only the composer's take thrugh ASCAP, BMI etc., but it would be easy enough to prove that none of the artists or SRCO's was entitled to anything if SoundExchange came knocking.
 
2. Contextual. Background music at venues where the main activity is not listening to the music is meant to stay in the background. It should not either arouse or distract the listener from the activity he is actually paying for. No one wants a drunken fan standing up in The Olive Garden screaming for them to turn up the volume on his favorite Guns & Roses anthem again. The music is supposed to be even blander than the food and less exciting than the retail shopping experience. As for elevator rides, well most people are not interested in being trapped in a box with music they don't like, just ask the inmates at Guantanomo.
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 13:04:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/12/07 15:26:43
 
In the local one night listening to Oasis's version of I Am The Walrus on the jukebox...
 
"Hey Steve, man I love this song. Noel Gallagher is such a good songwriter"
 
 

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 13:31:11 (permalink)
 
Scoot, found several
Searched "Jose Feliciano Billy Jean"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qsN1Zc_Lk

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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 14:34:19 (permalink)
Spacey,
I am only speaking for myself and my values. The only reason I would try to closely imitate an original version of a song would be the situation where I was playing in a tribute band, or something like that. But to actually go to the trouble of spending hours in a studio to try and produce an almost identical version of 'Every Breath You Take'. I honestly don't see the point of such an exercise (why would anyone want to listen to it?), unless you are simply trying to figure out exactly how the Police recorded such an amazing track.
 
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Re: So many bland cover versions being released 2014/12/07 14:40:12 (permalink)
Bert Guy
But to actually go to the trouble of spending hours in a studio to try and produce an almost identical version of 'Every Breath You Take'. I honestly don't see the point of such an exercise (why would anyone want to listen to it?), unless you are simply trying to figure out exactly how the Police recorded such an amazing track.




Satirical TV show Spitting Image made a pretty good job of getting Sting to do it Bert:
 

 
Every bomb you make
Every job you take
Every heart you break
Every Irish wake
I’ll be watching you

Every wall you build
Everyone you’ve killed
Every grave you fill
All the blood you spill

Ohhhh can’t you see
You belong to me
There’ll be a bill to pay
On that judgement day

For every empty plate
Every word of hate
Those who subjugate
Those who violate
I’ll be watching you

Oh can’t you see
You belong to me
There’ll be a bill to pay
On that judgement day

For every empty plate
Every word of hate
Those who subjugate
Those who violate
I’ll be watching you

Those who subjugate
Those who violate
I’ll be watching you

 Music:     The Coffee House BandVeRy MeTaL

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