So what's the big deal with take lanes?

The lanes are also used for automation. So each automation envelope added to a track can now be separated into its own lane. This makes editing automation much easier.

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It's way cleaner from my point of view:

1.  You can add written notes to each take, so you can keep them straight. 2.  When you rebuild or delete the lanes stay in the same place.
3.  All kinds of crazy behavior with layers is gone with lanes.  (Deleted layers sometimes re-appeared, layers sometimes wound up on top of each other, etc.)

My biggest issue with layers was once you recorded too many takes the layers would be too small to work with (you couldn't see the wav for slices/slip editing and the tools wouldn't hook into what you wanted them to). That wouldn't have been a problem if you could expand the track beyond the screen to zoom in on the individual layers but for some reason you couldn't. The only way to correct this was by dragging them into a new track and that just adds more clutter and confusion. Also the whole having layers not staying where they were supposed to was pretty annoying as well. I really like the ideas of layers until I actually started using them to track and comp solos... then it became apparent they needed a major overhaul. The layers fix all of that. There are a couple things I'd like to see fixed with layers though. The collapsed lane height should be smaller (why it has to take up the equivalent of two collapsed tracks is beyond me). They should make it so you can zoom the lanes vertically however tall you want and have their height independent of the other lanes (might be a feature I'm missing somewhere). Finally there should be a button that collapses individual takes alongside the "add/delete lane" buttons so if you want to get just one take out of the way you can do so easily (again I might be missing a feature). Otherwise they've been working very well for me and it has drastically improved my personal workflow. I am however the type of dude who does a ton of takes while I'm hammering out parts so YMMV. Cheers.

I agree that take lanes are just an improvement over the layers mess from earlier versions.

They are easier to mute & solo, and rearrange them into any order you want,.

Things that are possible with takes that aren't with layers include adding written notes to each take, isolate differnet data in each lane, and recording directly to a chosen lane.

Downside is they can take more real estate but even that's neglible, certainly worth it for all the advantages. IMHO of course YMMV and other disclaimers apply......

Best of all they don't have the rebuild function.....

I name my Clips if the default clip names seem less than useful... but they are usually adequate.

I make the good takes "yellow" and the ok ones "orange" and I throw away the stuff that should be thrown away as soon as I can.

I also make a practice of listening to the takes with frequency rather than producing so many takes that I end up with an annoying stack of stuff to sift through before I begin to review them. It makes it easier to identify good takes and identify stuff that should simply be thrown out.

I mute clips with the "q" key and if I want to listen to a series of layers sequentially while looping I just select any clip that is playing and an adjacent clip and hit q once and the one I want to listen to plays while the previous one mutes.

Plus I get to zoom in ALL the way on the amplitude axis to see even the smallest details... which I value highly and which is no longer an option.






Down grade.


best regards,
mike

But I will agree you should be able to blow up the takes but if the didn't have a height limit it would cover any current need I have in that respect. They should pop up in their own view like you said though. Didn't realize they had removed that option. Maybe next time.

lulz

mike_mccue

FastBikerBoy


Great idea I can just see one of my clips named....

Cream Strat, bridge pickup, through JCM 600 dirty channel, volume 50% gain 40%, bass 75%, Middle 50%, treble 60%, master volume 50% 

and another called.....

PRS bridge pickup through, Rockette 30 Overdrive channel, Volume 75%, Gain 40%, Filter 65%. 

I understand... me, I just use my ears.

I'm not that talented that I can go back to a recording several days (nevermind years) later and identify the type of guitar, pickup, amp and settings combination used. I admire you people that can. One day I'll be that good.....
 
In fact I've a few tracks that I wouldn't mind you telling me that info if you're interested...
  
 

Methinks you've missed the point.

If you really need notes you can also use the Track Description and write a big paragraph.

You can even write down the serial number of the microphone used, the distance from the cone center, the temperature... all that stuff.

I think string gauge is a highly influential aspect of tone... so write that down too.



Or, just go over to the amp, turn a few knobs, and rip a punch in. Easy breezy.


best regards,
mike

FastBikerBoy


I'm just in awe.... mind you I can hear when something's out of tune, I guess that's a start - so I'm on the long path to greatness....

You always want to turn things in to some type of polarized disagreement with the one liners.

If I were you, I'd be a little more self conscious about double daring me listen to your racket while considering your boast that you know when something is out of tune.



best regards,
mike

mike_mccue

FastBikerBoy


I'm just in awe.... mind you I can hear when something's out of tune, I guess that's a start - so I'm on the long path to greatness....

You always want to turn things in to some type of polarized disagreement with the one liners.

If I were you, I'd be a little more self conscious about double daring me listen to your racket while considering your boast that you know when something is out of tune.



best regards,
mike

Currently seeking advice on whether I should leave my racket up for ridicule or follow the older boys example and throw my toys out my cot.........

FastBikerBoy


Great idea I can just see one of my clips named....

Cream Strat, bridge pickup, through JCM 600 dirty channel, volume 50% gain 40%, bass 75%, Middle 50%, treble 60%, master volume 50% 

and another called.....
 
PRS bridge pickup through, Rockette 30 Overdrive channel, Volume 75%, Gain 40%, Filter 65%. 

You're such a simplistic guy Karl.

Great idea I can just see one of my clips named.... Cream Strat, bridge pickup, through JCM 600 dirty channel, volume 50% gain 40%, bass 75%, Middle 50%, treble 60%, master volume 50% and another called..... PRS bridge pickup through, Rockette 30 Overdrive channel, Volume 75%, Gain 40%, Filter 65%

 
What's the problem?   I've had clips in the past that were near that long.       No, seriously, I would often name clips too long to be legible (often truncated). 
 
So yeah, as I mentioned previously above I do like the notes portion of track lanes, along with a few other niceties.   The biggest issue I had with layers were the small size when there were more than a few takes, or in my case lots of partial takes, and the somewhat random order that always seemed to happen.    However.... that said, I would really like the ability to resize lanes way beyond what we currently have, both smaller and bigger.    But the fact that we can resize them at all?   That's a big plus in my book.

Hey Karl,

Did you use layers in THIS SONG?

And if you had lanes would it have been any better?

(see what I did there?)

Bonus question, what were the clip names?