So who is moving to Protools HD Native ?

Not unless they make it VST compatible, so that we can use UAD powered plug-ins... ;)

Actually, I agree w/ the OP - was just trying to be facetious. ;) 

A native version could fill the gap between full fledged HD systems and the crippled down LE version. I imagine this could address the needs of studios running a HD rig and wishing to add one or a couple of secondary Pro Tools workstations at a lower cost w/o running into the limitations of LE.

But for the rest of the world, I don't really see the advantage.

huge discussion about this on gearslutz ...

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/pro-tools-hd-goes-native/536933-protools-native.html


but what exactly is that $3500 card doing if it's not running TDM plugs or DSP processors?

but what exactly is that $3500 card doing if it's not running TDM plugs or DSP processors?

A dongle...


Marc

montezuma

What does it mean by 'native'?

Ordinarily I'd be able to answer, but after reading up a bit, in this instance I can't guess how Avid are using the word.

Just a wild guess, but I reckon I'll be sticking with Sonar for a loooong time. (Not that I've ever been tempted by PT, but this tempts me no more than ever.)

boy, that sure sounds like a great deal! (insert sarcasm wherever)

johnnyV


A dongle..
What does it mean by 'native'?

Well if you look at old National Geographic Mags they used to feature Natives sporting their dongles, That all I can figure. 

So what is the price? Are we really talking about 3000 or 6000 dollars for a card and Pro Fools, that has no DSP processing at all? If so then somebody is trying to destroy Pro Fools.  Nobody in their right mind would go for that **** unless the converters are gold and by gold giving us somewhere over the rainbow dynamic range of at least 120db or more.

Avid are up to some strange things all their new Pro Fools boxes are basically the same design as the M-Audio stuff and once again I would not touch anything from them.  They make the most horrible sounding boxes (OK I have only heard one of their boxes but I hated it, it accentuated the mids far too much, did I mention it was made of plastic) and did I mention that they are all made with cheap plastic like the M-Audio boxes.

All I can say is yea keep destroying Pro Fools Avid!!!!

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dr.hash


Nobody in their right mind would go for that... 

Lol!  Yes because you are obviously the perfect spokesman for people in their right mind.  News flash:  many studios have already spent 3-4 times that amount on their PT setups, so people who are accustomed to working on PTHD will see this as a much better value. 

...that didn't require a dongle

Oh, it's got a dongle, all right. Not one of those $30 plastic ones, though! This one's a thousand bucks and plugs into a PCI slot. You didn't think they'd let you run PT on a laptop, did you? Maybe edit some files on the plane? Cut some demos in the tour bus? Oh no, that wouldn't be very Professional. You'll need something NON-professional for that, like Reaper, Cubase, Logic, Digital Performer, Audition, SONAR or Garage Band.

Granted, for six grand you do get delay compensation, so there's that.

Another thing that I noticed on the Avid site is that it will not run TDM effects. I have a friend that has a production studio with ProTools and he runs MOSTLY TDM effects. That seems like a pretty big hole. Probably trying to not totally kill the cash cow.

word.

yorolpal


At last ol CornBeef and I can agree.  An inferior system that many people get only because
"it's expected" of them by certain uninformed clients for that kind of money??  Sic em CornBeef, ol pal.  I'm with ya.
 
PS: Liked "Can't Stand Up".  Wish I could understand the lyrics on most of the rest.

Thank you yorolpal, does this mean we can call a truce.  If so I am sorry.  I can be an ass but I believe in being a bit of a cowboy as you might understand from my song.  I believe the world needs cowboy's anti-heroes people who will go were angels fear to tread so to speak.  This means I can rub people up the wrong way I have been compared to sandpaper and have been called Mr.Sandpaper. 
 
We as an industry that is the creative side of our industry are in some real trouble, i know there are good bands out there but the day of the band is dead, we are now in the age of the composer.  Our tools, DAW, cards and the like have given us the power Beethoven and Mozart would have killed for and creamed their jocks over.  Let Their Be More Light, and Let Their Be A New Golden Age of Digital Music.  This is a new age, The Digital Age, The Digital Paradigm.
 
The guy trumpeting the virtue's of Pro Fools is obviously a plant from Avid go away please, Pro Fools is like The Republic in Star Wars.  How can one program in everybody's studio be a good thing it's called homogenization and sounds a bit like Nazism to me(you must use this card and this software and this plug) death to the empire. Yes those converters do sound like gold but it is still Pro Fools.  Still no dedicated Piano Roll windows, still naf plugs included.  Still one of the worse sounding Audio Engines in the business(OK bit of an over simplification of things, my woman uses Pro Fools LE but she knows how to use it: I taught her the semantics of Digital Recording) still no possibility of using this as a live rig.  The only thing Pro Fools has over Sonar is a better score system and I am not even sure about that because I haven't touched Pro Fools in a few months but if they have a dedicated window and have the basics of Silibus then this is the only thing Pro Fools has over Sonar.
Please God (Sonar, Roland Seth fix this problem). 
 
Finally did I mention that Pro Fools released version 8 of Pro Fools with so many bugs in it it was not even guaranteed to work on Vista.  It took me a month to fix and make my woman's version work on Vista and finally it was only after a patch was released. 
 
Pro Fools and Avid are trying to corner the market and will fail gloriously as I have said nobody in their right mind will pay for this system and as I have said and found out all their new hardware units and boxes are made of plastic.  Plastic=hot melting sticky death (he he).
 
Finally yorolpal do you mean the vocals on that particular song or all the songs.  If it is just that song I recorded that 9 years ago and I didn't know **** from clay.  It was recorded on a one of those Tascam USB control surface ( Ihave forgoton what it was called, it was blue and USB 1) and everything rolled into one (one of the fist of it's kind) at 16 bit.  I don't even have the original mix, that was re-mastered and I had to clean up the track of clicks using the audio restore plugin.  Also as I say I had no idea at the time in terms of the recording arts.  So please forgive my inexperience, I have more tunes like that, that I am remastering at the moment.  I will post them soon and more than likely on my new website.  Am waiting on a new piece of kit the A2 Ebony TL Audio compressor with digital out. 
 
Does anyone have any opinions on this compressor?  I would like to know what people think? as I am going to offer some limited mastering services and I don't want to be laughed at like the guy who was offering mastering at $20 per song.  Although this guy was mastering in the box and had thought over compression was a good thing.
 
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Well CornBeef ol pal, these here forums is for cussin and discussin.  So folks are liable to agree on this and disagree on that any ol time of the day or night...it's just the nature of the beast.  No truce needs to be called.  You call em as you see em.  And I'll do the same.  Meant what I said about "I Can't Stand Up"...just dandy.  Rock on, ol pal.  Keep stretchin the boundaries.

Even if it was free , i will stay under sonar !!

Really really serious here !!!