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2012/09/10 18:30:32 (permalink)

So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins...

As there's been quite a bit of discussion about Sonar's plug-ins (“are they as good as the expensive stuff?” “are they pro level?” “are the ProChannel plug-ins worth it?”), I thought y'all might find the following music video interesting (sorry, don't know how to embed a YouTube video here). 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9eb32yjGHo
 
The song in the video was done in Sonar. With a few exceptions (as noted), all the processing was ProChannel plug-ins. Specifically...
 
Drums: Hybrid EQ > Cakewalk Tube Saturation > Concrete Limiter
Bass: Dimension Pro > Hybrid EQ > Cakewalk Tube Saturation
Vocal: That's a single vocal track with the PC2A Leveler (my new BFF for anything with voice) > Hybrid EQ > VX-64 for doubling
Harmony Vocal: Again, a single vocal track. Same chain as the lead vocal except SofTube TSAR-1R reverb at the end of the ProChannel chain

I also used...

AmpliTube for distortion on the rhythm guitars, Guitar Rig for the lead
Sonitus Gate for the sidechained gate effect on one rhythm guitar
Sonitus Delay for the tempo-synched delay effects

So I think this shows you can get good sonic results with Sonar's plugs...and it also proves I don't just do dance music
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/10 20:31:32 (permalink)
    Liked the track, Craig.  Nice bit of lead on the outro. Did you listen to much Prog when you were a little puppy?
     
    I'm also a big fan of the PC2A on vocal tracks, and the VX-64 for doubling.
     
    Always respected your articles in SOS etc.; guess I need to listen to some of your music, too..
     
    Regards,
     
     
    Jonathan.
     
     
     

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/10 22:48:31 (permalink)
    I also enjoy the sos articles I would to know if you can do an in-depth on the prochannel plug ins starting with the pc2a
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/11 14:46:43 (permalink)
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    Liked the track, Craig.  Nice bit of lead on the outro. Did you listen to much Prog when you were a little puppy?
     
    I'm also a big fan of the PC2A on vocal tracks, and the VX-64 for doubling.
     
    Always respected your articles in SOS etc.; guess I need to listen to some of your music, too..
     
    Regards,
     
     
    Jonathan.
     
     
     
    Funny you should ask Craig that question as I got a little bit of a Rush "Hold Your Fire" era vibe out of the song.


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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/11 15:23:42 (permalink)
    Vocal: That's a single vocal track with the PC2A Leveler (my new BFF for anything with voice) > Hybrid EQ > VX-64 for doubling

     
    I too have been using this combination on every lead vocal since PC2A became available.  Really liking the results.

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/11 21:55:26 (permalink)
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    Liked the track, Craig.  Nice bit of lead on the outro. Did you listen to much Prog when you were a little puppy?

    I'm also a big fan of the PC2A on vocal tracks, and the VX-64 for doubling.

    Always respected your articles in SOS etc.; guess I need to listen to some of your music, too..

    Regards,


    Jonathan.



    Funny you should ask Craig that question as I got a little bit of a Rush "Hold Your Fire" era vibe out of the song.

    Funny you should say that,I got a bit of a Rush "Signals" vibe from the song.


    Great sound,good to hear this can be done with X1 on it's own,the only thing[of course] would be a an extended guitar solo mix!
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/12 00:50:28 (permalink)
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    Liked the track, Craig.  Nice bit of lead on the outro. Did you listen to much Prog when you were a little puppy?
     
    I'm also a big fan of the PC2A on vocal tracks, and the VX-64 for doubling. 
     
     
    Jonathan.
     
     
     

    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
     
    I know it's a cliche to say I like all kinds of music, but I always did, and still do. I listened to Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc., but also loved punk (paricularly the Damned) when it hit...I'm a huge fan of dance music, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Bach, and Wes Montgomery...so it all gets folded in somehow
     
    Now, back to the PC2A. I pretty much always used limiting on my voice, even with the UAD plugs. I could never find a compressor that sounded "natural," so it was a shock when I tried the PC2A and I felt like I'd hit the compression jackpot. I loved what it did to my voice.
     
    I even use it on narration for industrial/commercial videos, again a first for me. It seems like it's very easy to get a natural vocal sound.
     
    A lot of people have commented to me about the drums. The Concrete Limiter was great because of how it brought up the room and ambience while keeping the peaks under control. I prefer the Concrete Limiter for drums compared to any of the other dynamics plug-ins.
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/12 04:53:51 (permalink)
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    Liked the track, Craig.  Nice bit of lead on the outro. Did you listen to much Prog when you were a little puppy?
     
    I'm also a big fan of the PC2A on vocal tracks, and the VX-64 for doubling. 
     
     
    Jonathan.
     
     
     

    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
     
    I know it's a cliche to say I like all kinds of music, but I always did, and still do. I listened to Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc., but also loved punk (particularly the Damned) when it hit...I'm a huge fan of dance music, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, Bach, and Wes Montgomery...so it all gets folded in somehow
     
    Now, back to the PC2A. I pretty much always used limiting on my voice, even with the UAD plugs. I could never find a compressor that sounded "natural," so it was a shock when I tried the PC2A and I felt like I'd hit the compression jackpot. I loved what it did to my voice.
     
    I even use it on narration for industrial/commercial videos, again a first for me. It seems like it's very easy to get a natural vocal sound.
     
    A lot of people have commented to me about the drums. The Concrete Limiter was great because of how it brought up the room and ambience while keeping the peaks under control. I prefer the Concrete Limiter for drums compared to any of the other dynamics plug-ins.
    +1 PC2A.  I find it adds a "warmth" to things, too.  I love using it after the PC76 with fast attack, too. 
     
    +1 to the Concrete Limiter.  It was hearing it demo-ed on a drum track that convinced me to get it.  Now use it on drums all the time, with bass switch turned on.  Also love using it on bass tracks, too.
     
    With the 76, 4K Bus, CL, 4K Exp/Gate, 2A and the Quad EQ, I find I use the FX bin much less.  Love the sound and ease of use.
     
    Do you have any thoughts about the PC4K S-Type Channel Comp?  I find I rarely use this one.  I would be very interested in your opinion.
     
    Thanks for posting your track. Oh, and +1 to most of your influences, too.
     
    Jonathan.
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/12 05:32:41 (permalink)
    About the only time I use the Fx bin in Tracks now is for Channel Tools and maybe something from the Flanger/Chorus/Phaser family

    With the ability to load Fx chains & vst's into PC in X2, I don't think I'll be using the Fx bin at all.

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/12 06:29:17 (permalink)
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    About the only time I use the Fx bin in Tracks now is for Channel Tools and maybe something from the Flanger/Chorus/Phaser family

    With the ability to load Fx chains & vst's into PC in X2, I don't think I'll be using the Fx bin at all.


    I'm looking forward to PC FX chains.  I agree that the FX bin will be redundant for me then.  I'm interested to hear the console emulation, too.

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/12 21:09:47 (permalink)
    I have to say Craig,this song "Black Market Day Dreams" is really catchy,I only listened a couple times,and today when I woke,it was playing along in my head.

    I don't wish to stir controversy,but your listing states-"written by Mark Longworth",yet there is this version of the same song :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrTJz2OkMM&feature=related

    I think your version is wayyy better,and they are the same song,but this one has the songwriter as Saul T whatever[dodgy name] so who actually wrote it,when,and who are these other guys?

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/13 09:35:48 (permalink)
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    I have to say Craig,this song "Black Market Day Dreams" is really catchy,I only listened a couple times,and today when I woke,it was playing along in my head.

    I don't wish to stir controversy,but your listing states-"written by Mark Longworth",yet there is this version of the same song :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrTJz2OkMM&feature=related

    I think your version is wayyy better,and they are the same song,but this one has the songwriter as Saul T whatever[dodgy name] so who actually wrote it,when,and who are these other guys?

    Cheers
    Bob

    Mark Longworth is  " Saul T. Nads" - bit of a humorous pseudonym - get it Salty Nads :)

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    Mark Longworth's ReverbNation page http://www.reverbnation.com/marklongworth

    It will all be clear immediately.

    Google is my friend.

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/14 08:25:04 (permalink)
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    I have to say Craig,this song "Black Market Day Dreams" is really catchy,I only listened a couple times,and today when I woke,it was playing along in my head.

    I don't wish to stir controversy,but your listing states-"written by Mark Longworth",yet there is this version of the same song :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWrTJz2OkMM&feature=related

    I think your version is wayyy better,and they are the same song,but this one has the songwriter as Saul T whatever[dodgy name] so who actually wrote it,when,and who are these other guys?

    Cheers
    Bob

    Mark Longworth is  " Saul T. Nads" - bit of a humorous pseudonym - get it Salty Nads :)

    Checkout Saul T. Nads Myspace http://www.myspace.com/songsivewritten

    and then 

    Mark Longworth's ReverbNation page http://www.reverbnation.com/marklongworth

    It will all be clear immediately.

    Google is my friend.

    Hey Jind,yeah I got  the Salty part[blek]. 

    I thought it might perhaps work out as much,I was just hoping to hear it from the man himself I guess,it always surprises me a bit[tiny bit] when someone writes a good song,and has to put some pseudonym like that on it.....oh well,I guess if I'm ever gonna try to be humorous,it has to be more violent/disturbing[hopefully],different strok....folks I spose?
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/14 22:32:15 (permalink)
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    I also enjoy the sos articles I would to know if you can do an in-depth on the prochannel plug ins starting with the pc2a

    Interesting idea, but what do you have in mind? Techniques about how to use them, reviews, talking about differences and similarities? Please elaborate a bit, and I'll see what I can do.
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/15 01:47:50 (permalink)
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    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
           
    Dude, you were my hero when I was a kid reading the Electronic Music column in Popular Electronics.


    And I'm THAT old now :)


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    Anderton


    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
         
    Dude, you were my hero when I was a kid reading the Electronic Music column in Popular Electronics.


    And I'm THAT old now :)


    John


    True story: I had just finished a seminar, and one of the attendees came up to me. He said "Hey, weren't you the guitarist in Mandrake, back in the 60s?" I thought wow, that's cool, some kid into my ancient music! But then the punch line: "My parents LOVED your band!"
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/15 15:46:29 (permalink)

    I've got three of you PAIA circuit boards sitting here that I may finally solder up some day.

    I can't even guess how long ago It was that I got them.

    :-)


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    I've got three of you PAIA circuit boards sitting here that I may finally solder up some day.

    I can't even guess how long ago It was that I got them.

    :-)
    Wow, I remember the PAIA kits.  Wasn't there a little analog synth called "The Gnome" or something like that?  It had a VFO and some filters, maybe some wave shaping?  I think you could get a little keyboard to trigger it too.....

    Yep, seems some of us are THAT old, LOL!

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/16 04:32:22 (permalink)

    lol, that is awesome!

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    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
         
    Dude, you were my hero when I was a kid reading the Electronic Music column in Popular Electronics.


    And I'm THAT old now :)


    John


    True story: I had just finished a seminar, and one of the attendees came up to me. He said "Hey, weren't you the guitarist in Mandrake, back in the 60s?" I thought wow, that's cool, some kid into my ancient music! But then the punch line: "My parents LOVED your band!"




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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/16 13:49:02 (permalink)
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    I also enjoy the sos articles I would to know if you can do an in-depth on the prochannel plug ins starting with the pc2a


    Before this thread falls off the front page...could you give me a little better idea of what you have in mind concerning an "in-depth" of the PC plug-ins? Review, techniqes, all of the above? And of course, if anyone else has any suggestions, PLEASE chime in!! A lot of my ideas for Sonar columns come from hanging around in this forum
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    CoteRotie


    Anderton


    Well when I was growing up, Dixieland was all the rage. Okay, I'm not really THAT old...
         
    Dude, you were my hero when I was a kid reading the Electronic Music column in Popular Electronics.


    And I'm THAT old now :)


    John


    True story: I had just finished a seminar, and one of the attendees came up to me. He said "Hey, weren't you the guitarist in Mandrake, back in the 60s?" I thought wow, that's cool, some kid into my ancient music! But then the punch line: "My parents LOVED your band!"


    LOL, classic!

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/16 15:46:30 (permalink)
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    Before this thread falls off the front page...could you give me a little better idea of what you have in mind concerning an "in-depth" of the PC plug-ins? Review, techniques, all of the above? And of course, if anyone else has any suggestions, PLEASE chime in!! A lot of my ideas for Sonar columns come from hanging around in this forum
    One thing that seems to come up on here is a lot is in which order to use the modules in the PC.  I often answer with suggestions of my favorite chains such as PC76, EQ, SAT knob (Set to High only), PC2a for Vox etc.,  or when to use a compressor before or after EQ.
     
    I've seen many posts asking about this quite regularly, so I guess there's an interest.  Just a thought..

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    I think that would make a great topic. Thanks!
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/17 11:36:53 (permalink)
    +1
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    I think that would make a great topic. Thanks!



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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/17 13:51:14 (permalink)
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    I also enjoy the sos articles I would to know if you can do an in-depth on the prochannel plug ins starting with the pc2a

    Interesting idea, but what do you have in mind? Techniques about how to use them, reviews, talking about differences and similarities? Please elaborate a bit, and I'll see what I can do.


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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/17 22:42:18 (permalink)
    Maybe  a lil taste of all you mentioned especially technique with some vocal examples if possible.
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    I think that would make a great topic. Thanks!

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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/18 03:22:49 (permalink)
    Okay, consider it done...I'll do vocals, but also other instruments because orders that work for some instruments don't work for others. Thanks again for the suggestions!!
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    Re:So...about those Sonar and ProChannel plug-ins... 2012/09/18 04:14:31 (permalink)
    Craig, I'd like to see a feature on mixing Acoustic 12 string with PC modules - recorded in stereo naturally!

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