Soft synth freezing on first note played

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2016/05/06 20:40:25 (permalink)

Soft synth freezing on first note played

Latest Sonar Platinum installed yesterday - Two issues - (1) With several soft synths - True pianos, SI-Electric Piano, SI-String Section, as soon as I play the first note, the synth stops playing. Other synths work fine. (2)  NI B4 works with insert-soft synth or dragging from instrument list, but it will not install using the Add track button - says it may not be installed properly. I reinstalled it, and also moved the dll files to all the normally used folders. Thanks for any help.
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    noynekker
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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/06 22:17:27 (permalink)
    Kennyboz, welcome to the forum ! . . . since you've just installed Sonar Platinum you may have to configure some things to get it working right . . . for starters, what audio interface are you using, and are you totally new to Cakewalk products ? There always a lot of great help here on the forum, but it's best to let everyone know about your system specs to be able to know what's going on with your setup.

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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/07 01:47:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply. My audio interface is a Behringer XR18 mixer, which has multi-track capabilities and a midi interface that have worked flawlessly. I am basically new to the Sonar versions. I have used earlier Cakewalk before in a very small way.
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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/07 08:55:37 (permalink)
    Hi. Quite a lot has happened in the last years. There are a lot of videos on SONAR both on YouTube and Cake TV. Towards the bottom of this page you can get up to speed with regards to how things are implemented now. https://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONAR-University/Get-Started
    Karl Rose (Fast Bikerboy on this forum) made a whole series of videos about SONAR. They are from X2, but many of the things apply for the latest version as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR1DLE2UIfM&list=PLKRYWdEpbc5PgUgvrNuSvVyfv5qkll0qj
    Hope it helps.
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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/07 11:33:27 (permalink)
    I appreciate all the helpful comments. To update my freezing issue, the soft synths that freeze only do so when playing them through the midi port using a controller keyboard. When using the add track button and a virtual keyboard comes up, they play fine. Play a note from the midi port and the synth blows up until reloaded. The midi port however continues to work, as I can then play a different synth through midi. At the moment, my big concern is finding a good piano plug-in that works. I think the synths I'm having problems with are old.
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    Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 00:23:28 (permalink)
    I posted about this earlier. When I load certain soft synths in Sonar Platinum or X3, if I play them using an external midi controller, they drop out and I must reload them. Update - I tried various midi interfaces and they all do the same thing, so it's not the interface. I can play very short notes without failure. Any note held on the keyboard longer than about 1/2 second will make the synth stop playing, until I reload the synth. Only certain synths do this, unfortunately all the ones I like, including freshly downloaded ones. I am at witt's end.
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 04:47:46 (permalink)
    Are you talking about having to press the keyboard again, or do you have to reload the synth (delete and insert again)? Which synths and presets do you have this problem with? The more info, the easier to help.
    All the best.

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 12:11:34 (permalink)
    When it occurs, I must unload and reload the synth to try again. By the way, it happens always, not intermittent. It happens with all SI synths (Electric Piano, Sting Section, etc), Drop Zone, Pentagon, Rapture, Rapture Session, and probably others. Some do work, however, a few older ones. thanks for lending a hand.
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 13:43:42 (permalink)
    More to this soft synth freezing with midi controller - as a test, I played Dimension Pro stand alone and it works fine. Inside Cakewalk Platinum, it freezes after about 1/2 second of key depressing. So, something is up with Platinum and X3 as well. Either Cakewalk has had a problem with this or there are insufficiently documented setup issues regarding these soft synths. Does Cakewalk have a competent technical help group? I am sure there are many users with the same problem.
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 13:55:46 (permalink)
    I am not sure if it does make any difference, but have you tried to run SONAR as Administrator? 

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 14:01:32 (permalink)
    I know this is going to sound a little daft but try this.

    Find your Aud.ini in your profile C:\Users\<Your Name>\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\aud.ini and delete it.
     
    This will force SONAr to re-profile your audio hardware and create a fresh AUD.INI.
     
    If that fails reinstall S-Plat something may have not quite gone right in the install 
     
     
     

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 14:06:16 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'll try running as admin first and wait for a response from Cakewalk support, then a new install.
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 14:27:38 (permalink)
    I deleted the aud.ini file, opened CW and suddenly, Dimension Pro works! However, none of the other ones work. Maybe something in the aud.ini file can be changed?
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 14:54:34 (permalink)
    Hi - I will do some searching/testing, and see if I can help - would you please look at the info at the bottom of some of the forum member's posts?  You will see many of us put a bit of a summary of our system specs into the Forum Profile's Signature area, and then make sure we click the 'Always attach signature to posts' check box.
     
    I am wondering what sort of audio interface you are using, or are you using either your computer's on-board sound chip or perhaps ASIO4ALL?
     
    Can you please list the Sonar Preferences audio interface Driver Mode you are using?  It it ASIO?  WDM?
     
    Thanks, 
     
    I'll check back in a bit - and as I indicated above, I will also dig through some other earlier threads to see if something concrete comes to mind.
     
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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 15:58:39 (permalink)
    MIDI Master?  MIDI Clock?

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 18:25:42 (permalink)
    I've added some info to my posts. Not sure about MIDI Master or Clock. Will check. I'm getting closer to deciding to do a complete re-install of everything. I installed every synth on the available list - maybe too much?

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 20:36:45 (permalink)
    Is it maybe a MIDI echo setting that is giving you a loopback of MIDI messages that is freezing things?

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    Re: Soft synths stop playing 2016/05/08 21:24:46 (permalink)
    The only echo setting there is must be on for me to hear what I play.

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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/08 22:03:38 (permalink)
    Regarding my synth freezing up, it is now OK. A clue was someone mentioning midi echoing, so I started with the midi keyboard. I found a quirp in the keyboard, something called ZONE. It is a Sampson Graphite (as cheap as I could buy). I was simply pressing buttons and I pressed the Zone button and all started working. It appears that I must put the keyboard in Zone mode for it to work right. Zone merely divides the keyboard into zones with their own parameters that can be programmed. I believe this takes the heat off Cakewalk. Thanks all for trying to help me.

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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/08 22:29:52 (permalink)
    FYI, my synth freezing after about 1/2 second of key down was due to after-touch from my keyboard. Apparently, the after touch signal messed things up. I turned it off, at least set it to 0, and everything now works. I have no more excuses for not moving ahead with my projects!

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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/09 01:21:42 (permalink)
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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/09 08:18:55 (permalink)
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    FYI, my synth freezing after about 1/2 second of key down was due to after-touch from my keyboard. Apparently, the after touch signal messed things up. I turned it off, at least set it to 0, and everything now works. I have no more excuses for not moving ahead with my projects!




    In general, aftertouch shouldn't cause this behavior. I record aftertouch all the time as many synths use it for added expression. I would say the likely cause is the way aftertouch is implemented in your controller. There may be settings in your controller that will allow you to configure what gets sent to Sonar, but it sounds like a midi buffer overflow.
     
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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/10 13:29:35 (permalink)
    I hear ya about the aftertouch. I thought it was a standard thing, and I should have recognized that was the issue when I first saw that keeping the key depressed caused the problem. My little keyboard has several modes of aftertouch, which I have not figured out. I simply set it to zero, which I figured would probably be no aftertouch, and things started to work. Not being a midi expert, I'm not sure I'd need any aftertouch, but I will research it further. Main main objective in this is to create, and add to some tracks for my solo/duo performances, which are usually simple organ, piano, strings, etc. I always want to learn, but it sometimes is so painful and time consuming. Thank you.

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    Re: Soft synth freezing on first note played 2016/05/10 13:40:49 (permalink)
    Some folks add articulations and modifications to midi tracks using an additional midi track set to point to the same soft synth.
     
    I do this a lot with things like sampled violin instruments, where there may be 20 or more articulations that can be applied.  I will frequently record my playing straight through something, and then I will add a 2nd midi track pointing to the violin synth and add modulation/articulation changes in one or more additional passes - so the original track will play, and I will capture the modulation/articulation changes with the 2nd midi track, which are then picked up and processed when both tracks are played back.
     
    The above is just a thought -  I sort of approach it like I do with adding and modifying effects to tracks.
     
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