Rick Plester
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Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
I am having an issue with soft synth playing out of sync or late in new version of Sonar pl. Any one else or suggestions?
Also crash after crash here.
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Beepster
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 12:12:30
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Please describe what you mean by 32bit vs 64bit? Like are you talking OS, Sonar version, synth/plugin version, etc?
Also... what version of Windows (including 32 or 64bit versions), what version of Sonar (including 32/64 bit version), what synth is causing the issue and provide some extra system specification details (CPU, RAM, HDD/SSD's, audio interface).
What driver mode are you using for Sonar (ASIO, WMD, etc)? Are you using Asio4All or onboard sound?
Just knocking out a few troubleshooting questions so you can get some help.
Cheers.
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 12:13:05
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some 32bit vst wrapped in bitbridge can go out of sync, scmiiw?
you can try the x64 version of the plugin(s), or the 3rd party jbridge wrapper
hth, good luck!
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 12:23:18
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pwalpwal
some 32bit vst wrapped in bitbridge can go out of sync, scmiiw?
you can try the x64 version of the plugin(s), or the 3rd party jbridge wrapper
hth, good luck!
Also some respond better to JBridge 32 to 64 bit VST wrapper (which you have to buy separately/isn't a Cakewalk thing) than to BitBridge (the included wrapper in Sonar that SHOULD work with the included 32 bit synths/plugs because I believe Cake has been testing them and dropping anything that causes serious problems). If it's a third party synth then JBridge may work better. However that's getting ahead of things until we know what OP is using, on what and how. Could be a dozens of things causing the problem at this point. Definitely one of the more likely avenues though.
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:26:54
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Sorry I should have added in more info.
Sonar 32 bit is fine Sonar 64 bit has issue. Soft synths are out of sync
Using studio 192 presonus
win7 sp 1 64 bit.
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:30:42
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:32:49
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It seems to be all of them Dpro and zt rapture ect...
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:34:15
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I think you need to give us the full set up for both 32 bit and 64 bit?
I have been running 64 bit for ages and only had issues when trying to use a couple of 32 bit plugins. I have since moved to use only 64 bit plugins and my system has been rock solid.
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:42:13
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Thank you to all who are offering help!
I was using 64 bit sonar ok with no problem till update.
I have the 32 bit v sonar installed as I need some old plugs that wont load in 64bit. This all seems normal except the soft synths are lagging out of sync in 64 bit.
@Karhide I am not sure what your asking re full set up.
THX!
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:44:26
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I am running win 7 64 bit SP 1
32 gig memory 8 core 4.33 amd
sonar 64 and 32 bit
Pre Sonus Studio 192 and 2 DP88
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:48:05
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Still lots of detail missing but try lowering the latency buffers on the Presonus interface (if you start to experience glitching then other things need to be done). If you have any resource intensive and/or "lookahead" plugins on the project remove them or freeze them while tracking.
Check your MIDI buffers in Sonar preferences as well... but really, more detail is needed. Gotta narrow things down.
You are SURE you are on 64bit Windows and the 32bit version of Sonar is working better? That seems... backwards. Are you sure that in 64bit Sonar you are using the 64 bit versions of these plugs?
How did you end up with both 32 and 64 bit versions of Sonar on your system?
How much RAM do you have on the system?
I'm asking those questions on TOP of the other questions from earlier so the more detail you can give the better.
Edit: I see you've updated a bit and answered some of this post but I'm submitting as is because I have to go do some hacking of my own. I'm sure this could be sorted easily with some extra deets and if you don't know how to answer certain questions just ask and I'm sure you'll get pointed in the right direction to figure it out. It can get a little complex these doods know their shiz.
Good luck.
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karhide
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 13:57:12
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2016/07/28 14:17:20
Rick Plester
Thank you to all who are offering help!
I was using 64 bit sonar ok with no problem till update.
I have the 32 bit v sonar installed as I need some old plugs that wont load in 64bit. This all seems normal except the soft synths are lagging out of sync in 64 bit.
@Karhide I am not sure what your asking re full set up.
THX!
A couple of things that might help - You have not mentioned if the 64 bit and 32 bit are on the same machine?
- Are the drivers for the audio interface up to date?
- What is the latency you are running at and are you running any effects like a limiter or compressor that might be looking ahead?
- What VST's are running out of sync?
- Are they VST's 32 bit or 64 bit?
- A list of the VST's in the project?
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 14:11:43
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A couple of things that might help - You have not mentioned if the 64 bit and 32 bit are on the same machine? Yes on same machine
- Are the drivers for the audio interface up to date? yes
- What is the latency you are running at and are you running any effects like a limiter or compressor that might be looking ahead? ASIO buffers at 4096 Yes Disabling all plug in except soft synth makes no difference.
- What VST's are running out of sync? All soft synths on playback.
- Are they VST's 32 bit or 64 bit ? Both.
- A list of the VST's in the project? D pro, Zeta2, Rapture.
Thank you!!!!
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karhide
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 14:26:48
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Rick Plester
A couple of things that might help
- You have not mentioned if the 64 bit and 32 bit are on the same machine? Yes on same machine
- Are the drivers for the audio interface up to date? yes
- What is the latency you are running at and are you running any effects like a limiter or compressor that might be looking ahead? ASIO buffers at 4096 Yes Disabling all plug in except soft synth makes no difference.
- What VST's are running out of sync? All soft synths on playback.
- Are they VST's 32 bit or 64 bit ? Both.
- A list of the VST's in the project? D pro, Zeta2, Rapture.
Thank you!!!!
A couple of things you could try off the top of my head: - Disable one of the synths in turn to see if the sync issue goes away. I have all three of those synths but mainly use Z3ta2 and the new Rapture Pro.
- Just use one of the synths in the project for all the parts and see if the issue goes away.
- Lower the buffer size to something like 1024. I have heard reports with some interfaces that odd things can happen when running with a really high buffer.
- Try freezing the synths to see if they then play in sync.
- Does the same issue happen if you render the project to a stereo file?
Is the project a combination of audio and midi? If it is just midi you could upload a part of a project and someone with the synths can test the project.
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 14:31:55
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Thank you I will try a few of these suggestions and get back to you shortly.
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 14:33:08
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pwalpwal
some 32bit vst wrapped in bitbridge can go out of sync, scmiiw?
Yes, this is almost surely the cause. Bitbridge has a bug that adds an empty buffer of audio to rendered output. The higher your ASIO buffer, the worse the sync error will be. Options are: - Keep the project in 32-bit SONAR' till it's done. - Run a 64-sample (or lower) ASIO buffer and ignore the minimal error. - Buy JBridge (~$20) which doesn't have this issue. - Replace all 32-bit plugins with 64-bit versions. - Freeze the 32-bit synths, crop one buffer's worth of samples off each clip, and slide back by that amount. And if you're feeling really adventurous: Create two 'Pre-Master' buses, route all the 32-bit synth tracks to one, and everything else to the other, and delay the 'other' bus output by one buffer's worth of samples using Channel Tools. I'd vote for JBridge. It's cheap, effective, and provides other benefits like not having 32-bit plugin windows intercept all keystrokes so you lose transport control while tweaking.
post edited by brundlefly - 2016/07/28 14:54:25
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Rick Plester
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Re: Soft synths play behind an/or out of sync in 64 bit v but ok on 32 bit??
2016/07/28 14:41:50
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Thank you brundlefly! RE: Buy JBridge (~$20) which doesn't have this issue. Can you please point me to where I might find this?
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