"Soft truths." he mixed it again... X2 mix 9/26

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/08 21:44:04 (permalink)
Hi Robby and Mark,

Great song, guys. Excellent performances and mix. Killer vocal, Robby! 

Well done.



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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/09 01:25:30 (permalink)
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nice job on this track. calls to mind a bit of Lynyrd Skynyrd and Bob Seger, which is always a great thing :) 
guitar solo is tasty and reminds me of classic arena rock done the way it should be.  i think the slide guitar in the beginning can come up a db or two so we can enjoy it all the more.

good stuff. 


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Viral, Skynyrd :-) I'll take that! I give props to my partner Mark, he is the man in the booth and an excellent guitarist and drummer. Thanks so much for your compliments!
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/09 02:25:54 (permalink)
Very nice, gentlemen.  Keep it up.  

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/09 09:24:34 (permalink)
Hey Robby & Mark,
You guys make a GREAT collab combo. Love the structure of this piece.  I'm diggin the way it starts out mellow and ends up being full and thick.  Mix sounds good on my end. If I must nit the cymbal hits need to back off a bit. A very well written/played piece from you both.  KUDOS GENTS!

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/09 10:06:41 (permalink)
Much better, guys. Drums still bother me as kinda puny and narrow. Vocals sound thin during the intro. And into the first chorus the acoustic needs to come up...otherwise it kinda drops off from the anticipation that is getting set up.
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/10 00:02:51 (permalink)
Well fortunately for my listeners? I have the privilege of collaborating with people who know what the .... they are doing? Because, "trust me." I do not? 

Mark has remixed this puppy, and I think it is much better. He did lots to it? Based off of the feedback here? You people? (stops for a moment, chokes back tears...) You people? You are the Kate Beckinsale to my fantasies...  Mmmmm Kate Beckinsale... That's what you people are to me? I wish I could enjoy you all the way I want to enjoy her...


I'm sorry for that right there Lord, and please be with the Pygmies in New Guinea...
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/10 00:21:40 (permalink)
And the new one highlights my fretless track :-D Which is an added bonus in my opinion? Because, I'm familiar with that bass... We're good friends ;-) And it is a sweet sweet bass...

I think my bass hero Frank T? Would be well pleased... The bass? Well... The bass is its own thang? And if you are a bass player? Warren? Frank? BAPU? Well, you know what I'm saying. The relationship between the bass and the music? It's like the relationship between Clint Eastwood and Sandra Locke? It was visible on-screen... There was an intangible there? They had a connection... i.e., "he was hitting that..." And you could see it? In the relationship they had on-screen... That's what a bass track can do for a song... 

It's like an encounter you dream about? Hold down the bottom...  


I'm sorry for that right there Lord.


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Reece? Janet?  (and other aspiring bass players...)

Take note... "Hold down the bottom..." Grab it and pin it like an MMA opponent... And beat it in to submission... "Hold down the bottom." Whapow!! Hold it down!
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/11 01:52:04 (permalink)
Guitarhacker


Cool song. I like it. It has a nice country rock feel to it. 

Nice bass. The acoustic and dobro are nice too. 

To my ears.... the vocals are a bit muffled which seems to be your default EQ setting on vox.  I'd personally like to hear a bit more crispness to the vox. Just a touch to add sparkle and air. 


Other than that... man.... good job and a nice collab.

Love Bug (Herbie?) You speak the truth, I like that about you? :-)
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/11 14:43:10 (permalink)
Robby... another listen... Great song, mix & performances... I just listened again, and I must say, I really admire your bottom end... you must work out a lot... on that fretless thumb bass... I remember the first time I heard Jaco... I pulled all the frets out of a perfectly good Jazz Bass... I've also defretted a valuable vintage Hofner... devalued it quite a bit, but it sounded really cool... that was a a pretty bone-headed thing to do... when I sold it I had to knock $300 off the price...
   
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/11 21:34:48 (permalink)
I do love that fretless bass. As much as a man can love his instrument...

I took a similar, but different route. I've always been intrigued by people playing a fretless? I've seen friends "try" and fail miserably... The fretless is a fickle and demanding mistress. The first thing you realize is? THERE ARE NO DAMN FRETS! And wherever you put your finger? Well, that's the note. And it doesn't always end well... The fact about it is, playing the bass is all about "the feel for the song?" And "holding down the bottom..." (my thoughts)

So you can do that for years on a freted instrument and be happy! (I was) But then I was drawn to the dark side... That fuzzy fretless sound, the ability to slide between notes, do vibrato, do quarter notes and half notes? I'm just facinated by the fretless.

But I sucked ASCII at it when I started? And for a long time thereafter... However, and unfortunately for things that I choose to defeat? "I am exactly like a pit bull..." I will grab on to your neck, and I will not let go? I simply will not let go. You can punch, stab, gouge? It doesn't matter, I will not let go. So I got a fretless, a really nice one! That Warwick is like a hot date with Pam Anderson before the Hep C? Back in the slow mo beach watch intros? I know "for a fact" that every man reading this knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Well? That's what this bass is like. It wasn't cheap. But I sucked at the whole "playing a fretless instrument." It is it's own thing... It's completely different than playing a fretted bass, and it is challanging if you've never tried it?

And when you do try it initially? It will be difficult, and you may suck at it? And you may be discouraged? "Do not give up..." I have a freted Alembic that I really do not play? Because I so enjoy the fretless. Again, it is it's own thing? It's a bass? But it's like a different instrument... And it is VERY satisfying as a bass player to lay down a track with that beast! LOL! I LOVE IT! "Pam Anderson in early Bay Watch intros..."

So the opposite path I took was to get a killer fretless (which I could not play) and have IT modified! Instead of doing the same to a nice fretted instrument.

I took my fretless to a Luthier, and said, I want lines? Where the frets are supposed to be? I know you can use tape. I know there are dots on the side... "I wanted lines where the frets are supposed to be?" So the guy I took it to, he's really "really" good? He actually runs a school teaching people to be Luthiers? :-) And he cut the neck... "ouchie?" And he did inlays? I requested Mother Of Pearl, but he advised against it, and said a hard plastic resin would be better? So I opted for that.

So my fretless? Unless you look very closely? It looks like a freted bass; Here's a shot from the front;

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/11 21:36:40 (permalink)
But here's a close shot from the side? Notice, they are not frets at all...

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/11 21:39:24 (permalink)
So I encourage my bass playing brethren? If you do not own a fretless? Buy one... If you suck at playing it? Do not despair, practice, and understand that it's all about the patterns, the geometry (you have to be precise…), the subtleties?

It's all about the sliding? And quarter and 1/2 notes. In the end, it may take a few years? But the fretless bass, well...  It's just really cool the way that you can play it like a normal bass when you want? But you can get "slinky" and slide around between notes, and wiggle them with an exaggerated up and down vibrato? If you are a bass player, this is a natural evolution. And if you're not? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!? LOL!

I'm still not that good at it? But I'm not bad ;-) And I work at it :-) (I'll be better next year God willing...) Frank, you made my summer (you know I have much respect for you as a bass player) Thanks!
 
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And finally, this is a salute to Scotty... Because, if you're are a bass player like me? And like many of us? And you've tried to play the fretless? Well, "it's challenging..." We have no idea, or perspective of just how challenging it really is? Because we play bass? And the bass "is a long scale instrument..." What that means is, it's fer piece to get from here to there? From where your finger lands to the friggen bridge "is a mile!" It is a long scale instrument. And it is STILL incredibly difficult/challanging, and we're playing "with toys..."
 
Scotty does the same thing on a short scale instrument? That violin, the neck is only this long... (you know how long it is) So you take the clumsy mistakes we make? On that long scale instrument? And you multiply them, by a factor of "X" with X being the difference between the long scale instrument and the short scale instrument?
 
What you get in the end, if you understand this? Is that playing the bass is easy. Playing the fretless bass is harder, and some may say hard? Playing the violin, and doing so at the level that he does it? "Is impossible." Until you've tried to play a fretless instrument? You really cannot understand or appreciate the genius that goes in to doing what Mr. Campbell does. So while this is my song? And my thread? this comment is about the fretless bass (which is cool, don't get me wrong?) But that damn violin? It's a fretless instrument "in miniture" compared to a fretless bass. You should all really respect what Scotty does, it is amazing... Playing a fretless bass by comparison is like? Well, let me think... It's like roller skating on monster truck tires? You can't fall over, and you can crush cars? It's a big difference. Big difference... Think about it?
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/13 01:59:42 (permalink)
I sent some more bro tracks to Mark last night per his rqst? So he may be working on a 3rd remix.
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/13 07:46:37 (permalink)
Loving the lead vocal - I will come back for the 3rd remix
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/13 22:13:49 (permalink)
I am honored that several have commented positivly on my vox, I am a singer, I'm blessed with that. And I can convey emotion in a vocal track, which helps sell the song. It is my passion... And again, I am very thankful for the comments regarding my delivery. Also, I would like to recognize my partner again, he is a genius (one of several) when it comes to the Engineering aspect. He also plays a mean guitar ;-) Thanks Mark!
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/13 22:46:15 (permalink)
And unlike some who've commented on the latest "getting a good bass sound" thread on the techniques forum? I did NOT Melodyne my bass! I played it! :-)
 
I don't think I did anyway? I can't say I never have... But I try to comp it and get it in, w'out editing it, to give it more of a natural feel. Working on one now that will feature that beautiful beast :-) A "classic" cover...
Although Mark mixed it? So actually he could have touched me up, I didn't ask :-( Sorry, nothing to see here, as you were.
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/14 20:47:48 (permalink)
OK, I listened to this last week but didn't want to beat you up about the vocal processing.  You must have changed it because this cut really sounds good.  Whatever you did on this vocal remember it.  I've been hard on you and the vocals when you do a mix because you are a great singer and it didn't let it sign through.  Gheesh I hope you don't say you didn't change it.  I'd sound like a dork.  Really like the song, the instrumentals (mark was great!) and the vocal.  My favorite of yours for a long time.   You guys make a good team.  Oh, when you announce a monster hit it's almost impossiblem to live up to.  STOP IT!  LOL

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/14 20:58:29 (permalink)
" Whatever you did on this vocal remember it."

LMAO! Here's my secret... Shhh, this is just between us girls? markno999.vst, apply liberally to your whole mix! hahahahah

You sprinkle his Sizzy all over mine? And you can come up with something memorable... The trick is being able to put up with my insanity? And I know it's there, and it is a trick... 

James and Larry make a good team, James and Wack? Hell, pretty much anybody you want to throw at a James comes up pretty good? So I'm hoping we can try this Mark and Robby thing...

I think we all know I'm pretty good at some things? And not very good at others... Or as Clint Eastwood said? 

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/14 22:26:56 (permalink)
exactly...
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/14 22:38:10 (permalink)
Frank gets me, it's hard to like me? But he gets me.
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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/15 11:30:02 (permalink)
hi rob  well done  mix words vocals great production thanks for sharing eric
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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/15 22:18:04 (permalink)
Eric (and everyone) thanks! I've sent Mr. Markno some more dobro which he requested, but he may be tied up. I actually had to work today (Saturday) which is not usual, but we are all doing what we can these days I guess. I'm working on a new classic cover. The time floats on the cover, so it's a really PITA because I like to do tribute versions of the music I love. It's probably a good month out.
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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/17 00:49:38 (permalink)
Mark sent me a remix with some more dobro I added, and some other mix tweaks.
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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/17 07:18:15 (permalink)
Im really liking the song

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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/17 21:56:48 (permalink)
I gave Mark a little feedback on the dobro track, but it sounds like he made some other tweaks as well.

I think this is the keeper.
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Re:"Soft truths." 2nd remix 9-10 2012/09/19 04:42:37 (permalink)
Hey, Robby and Mark,
 
Absolutely dynamite song!  Well written, excellent instrumental and vocal performances, and to my ears, the mix is totally pro sounding.
 
Great collab, boys, you guys make one helluva production team!
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/20 12:11:23 (permalink)
Excellent song, performance and production, Robby! It's great to hear your work again, and as usual it's top-notch and very easy to listen to.

Only 3 nits: 
1) The last phrase at 0:36 leading to the 1st chorus sets a build up dynamically that the 1st chorus doesn't quite pay off - a little anti-climactic after the introduction of the electric guitar that drops out when the chorus starts.

2) The ending sounds abrupt to me - needs a chorus repeat, maybe.

3) The electric solo isn't quite in the pocket in a couple of places.

The strings/arrangement are very good. You're a gifted musician.
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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/21 06:03:17 (permalink)
gary: " the 1st chorus doesn't quite pay off - a little anti-climactic" But I love the climax, it's my favorite part! Being goal oriented and whatnot (I'm talking about the peak of the song people)

Bob, thanks very much, it turned out better than I thought it would, and my hopes are always high!

Mike; Thank you very much for your feedback :-)


Eric- Thank you sir, perfection is our goal, excellence will be tolerated!  



Daryl ~ 68 was a very good year! Thanks very much.

Much is owed to markno999 for the success of this project.


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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/24 22:22:42 (permalink)
Mark is working on an X2 remix? I told him I think the latest X1 remix is as good as he can get it. He threw a 5 dollar bill on the table and shouted an explitive...

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Re:New Original - Forum colab "Soft truths." 2012/09/25 19:41:40 (permalink)
Nice tune! I'd prefer the drums "up" a bit more and a tad more low end.

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