Softer Acoustic guitar recording

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2009/11/03 04:03:57 (permalink)

Softer Acoustic guitar recording

Any ideas as to how to get a softer acoustic guitar sound? Ive tried several mic techniques.
Any suggestions as to EQ settings get a softer sound?
Most of my recordings sound abrasive or harsh.
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    Jeff Evans
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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 05:47:49 (permalink)
    First step is to marry the mike to the guitar. If the guitar is bright and trebly then use a mike that has a softer or warmer sound. If the guitar is dull the use a mike that is a bit brighter in its sound. People often get this wrong and choose a bright microphone for a bright guitar then the result will be really bright.

    Next is mike position. Near the 12th fret is nice. (about a foot out) Move towards the hole for a more bassy sound because the hole can be quite boomy. Experiment here. Acoustics are also important. A deader environment will give a different sound to a very live environment. Deader will not have so much refelection so it will be easier to control.

    The mic preamp is important too. It needs to sound smooth and pleasant. A valve mic pre would help here.

    Once you have got the track recorded then the right EQ on the track will also have a big impact. For a smoother sound try rolling off some of the high frequencies.

    Other factors contribute too. New strings sound crisp, older strings are deader in sound. Plectrum as opposed to fingers. Fingers are softer and sound that way too. Big factor is playing. Dont tear the strings apart, play the softer and lighter for a smoother sound.

    I used to know an acoustic guitarist who was a fantastic player but he picked really hard. Way too hard so his sound was shrill and nasty. The same guitar in the hands of a much lighter player produced a completely different sound.

    Many musicians play their instruments far too hard. They hit too hard they blow too hard they pick too hard. The result is a horrible hard sound that is thin and nasty.

    Two books I recommend are 'Behind the Glass' Volume I and II (Howard Massey) These are interviews with the worlds best engineers. They are fantastic books. Many of them say they used to get the bands and musicians to play soft and record with higher gain. Try it you will be amazed!

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 05:56:25 (permalink)
    Thanks Jeff,
    Good advice. I think my main issue is my mic, I use the NT1A and thats all I have. Limited budjet, so a new mic is out of the question. Same as the preamp.
    I guess I will have to work with what I have. Maybe I will try deader strings and try to softened my environment. I do have a SM 57 I might try.
    Thanks Again

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 06:24:44 (permalink)
    Maybe I will try deader strings and try to softened my environment.
    If you're recording in a tiled bathroom you haven't got a hope in hell.

    Try and get a room with lots of soft furnishings. Put your acoustic on a strap and place your mike at the same level as the guitar. Put on your headphones, press record in Sonar, and walk around the mike seeing what it sounds like in front of, at the side and back of the instrument. Do a running commentary on the positions so you have some chance of remembering what they were when you listen back.

    If that still yields too bright results then try hanging some muslim sheets in front of the mike. That might work, God willing.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 07:57:22 (permalink)
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    If that still yields too bright results then try hanging some muslim sheets in front of the mike. That might work, God willing.

    Wouldn't that be 'Allah willing'?

    +1 for mic position at the 12th fret. Also if you can play it way up on the neck, it'll dramatically soften the sound. But you probably know that already. Also try a small diaphragm mic instead of a large one, or a mic with a thicker diaphragm. The 57 might do you well.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 08:17:01 (permalink)
    Wouldn't that be 'Allah willing'?

    Yes, apologies to my Islamic friends, but I couldn't resist the pun. Anyway we're still talking about the same God after all.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 08:27:38 (permalink)
    I just spent 3 days playing acoustic guitar into a condenser mic.

    I'm doing a cosmic American music  project.

    I was really trying to find out what the mic could do. I tried the mic everywhere. Whenever it sounded good it was ok but if it sounded less than good it seemed terse, and tubby in the upper midrange. Harsh yet bloated. The tracks would not respond to a high freq EQ all that well. There just wasn't much sparkle. The proximity effect of the cardiod wasn't that attractive either.

    I switched over to a ribbon mic last night and found it very easy to place the mic and get a natural and pleasing sound. It left me wondering if the preamp built into the Condenser mic is just a bottle neck for tone that I can not work around without simply accepting the terse grainy sound.

    It was like the ribbon mic was taking every advantage of my preamp and the mid range and upper freqs sound smooth and silky... the way I expect the preamp to sound. There isn't as much upper freq presence in the tracks but I can easily turn up the EQ and the track responds in a very pleasing manner.

    I'm wondering more and more often... why do I have all these condenser mics?

    best regards,
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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 12:52:18 (permalink)
    I switched over to a ribbon mic last night and found it very easy to place the mic and get a natural and pleasing sound.

     
    This was going to be my first suggestion to the OP, but then I realized he mentioned he didn't have any $$ to buy a new mic.
     
    This one: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/MXL-R77-Studio-Ribbon-Microphone?sku=581247&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=325992058 got a favorable review in the latest SOS.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/03 16:31:29 (permalink)
    I was going to suggest EQ after the fact to ease the harshness..... maybe some compression too.

    The Rode is a good mic so even though it has certain characteristics, you should be able to get a decent recording.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 02:13:00 (permalink)
    What are you using for a ribbon? I have heard of some Ribbons that sound decent for reasonable $$.
    Thanks all for the great input.

    Im going to take a another stab this weekend. I've been using the Fishman Acoustic Imaging pedal with mixed results. In the context of a full mix, the Aura work's good. For solo acoustic, its very apparent a good mic'd up guitar is the only way.

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 07:36:36 (permalink)
    Yeah, I agree, a miked up guitar sounds better 99% of the time than a direct line acoustic...... at least mine does.

    I saw a site (you'll need to google it to find it) that gives the info needed to build a ribbon mic for under $100USD and from the reviews, it sounds pretty good.....there are MP3 files of the actual build.
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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 08:13:40 (permalink)
    I just ordered Samson VR88 Velocity Ribbon Microphone. Its in my price range (150.00) and got good reviews
    I will post my thoughts on it once I get it..

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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 08:25:51 (permalink)
    Remember that you'll likely need to boost the hi freq in post... as I mentioned I am amazed at how this seems to work well... you just get more smoothness.

    With other mics you can't seem to push the hi freqs without just getting louder harshness.

    best,
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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 12:46:30 (permalink)
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    Any ideas as to how to get a softer acoustic guitar sound? Ive tried several mic techniques.
    Any suggestions as to EQ settings get a softer sound?
    Most of my recordings sound abrasive or harsh.
    Thanks,
    Mic posistion. It's hard because you need a good sounding quiet room, a good preamp, and the right mic to make it work.  If it's a condensor mic don't put the mic closer then you would want your ear to be.  The center of the instrument (12th fret) seems to work the best and back as far as you can without picking up too much room noise.  If a condensor is picking up too much jangle or pick noise you can try to angle it away from the sound hole or even try a dynamic mic. If you have a good preamp a SM57 might just work.
    Another thing you can try is to put the mic near your ear pointed down at the guitar to try to capture what you hear when you play.  The hard part about that is not picking up the noise from the human like the guitar bumping you, breath, etc. My nose tends to make noise so I have to breath through my mouth when playing.
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    Re:Softer Acoustic guitar recording 2009/11/04 20:41:57 (permalink)
    Blending two signals (1 direct and 1 mic'd) can work well too.  You get some of the nice natural room sound, but with some added presence (from the DI) as well.  Dial to taste.

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