[Solved] Camel Audio and Sonar not playing well together.

I've installed some Camel Audio effects. Been having some fits with them. Not able to Midi CC Learn them. I've converted them into Soft Synths and was able to perform the task at first. But, in later projects it just stopped working. Then, magically Camel Phat just disappeared from the list when I opened the plug in manager.  neither in the list of soft synths or effects. Very strange.
 
I opened a project that had an instance of Phat in it that has the working CC Learn functioning. If I delete in in the effects pin and reinstanciate it.. the cc learn doesn't work anymore. I can do this with other soft synths without issue. Only the Camel stuff doesn't seem to work. Curious if anyone else has had this problem with these or other 3rd party plug ins and Midi CC Learn not working.

I'm corresponding with them. They've been very helpful so far. It's been real weird here though. I'll illiterate what I told them.......
(((((I uninstalled and reinstalled all the effects... converted them to soft synths. Still note working. I've included the screen shot of the config profile. That's what it says for phat and space.
 
I can still open the one project I had when it was working correctly and indeed the midi CC learn works still.  I did both the x and y coordinates on a fader on my Axiom 61. That's working on that project only! If I delete Phat and instantiate it again. It doesn't work anymore. I can't midi cc learn anything. This is a real head scratcher huh? lol))))
 
I'm really diggin' their stuff. That's why I really want to get it to work properly. Not being able to record animation would be a huge buzz kill for me.
 

 

Does it help to use the little button in the plugin UI window that Gives All Keystrokes to the Plugin?  
 
The above is a stab in the dark - if it is silly please just ignore.  :)
 
Also, the Camel Phat doc is not really helpful: "Try MIDI Learn - Most of CamelPhat's parameters can be controlled via MIDI. To do this, you'll first need to set up your host application to send MIDI data to the plugin (this varies from host to host). Then simply right-click (Ctrl-click if you're a Mac user) on any of CamelPhat's knobs, select 'MIDI Learn' from the menu that appears, then send a controller message from your preferred MIDI controller (e.g. move your keyboard's Mod Wheel). CamelPhat will recognise the controller and automatically assign it to your chosen parameter!"
 
I found a couple of links elsewhere on the web, maybe something from these will jog something in your memory, or give you something to explore, anyways:
 
http://forum.liine.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=795
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=277636
 
Sonar X3e seems to now have a default option when you insert a soft synth, that enables sending Midi Out.  I also saw an option within Kontakt 5 that looks like it does the same thing.  I do not know if either of these kinds of things has anything to do with Camel Phat being able to midi learn - just posting the scraps I can find, since I have no way to test CamelPhat out.
 
I also recall controlling Guitar Rig with a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller, and in a prior release of Sonar, I had to configure GR5 as a synth, and insert it into the effects bin as a synth to get it to respond to midi commands from the foot pedal.
 
Bob Bone
 

Thanks for jumping in scook.  It had been a while since I had done that, and I knew it changed (hence the past tense on my part), but I couldn't recall enough detail to post more than I had done.
 
To the OP, lots of friendly and helpful folks here, and you should be able to get this squared away.  Best of luck with it all, and have a blast.  :)
 
Bob Bone
 

It may have been more obvious with the old method of setting up FX plug-ins as synths. All synth plug-ins have a midi track for input even when hidden in an instrument track. With the new process of enabling FX plug-in MIDI I/O directly there is still a requirement for MIDI routing which means MIDI or instrument tracks must be part of the solution.
 
Glad you figured it out.