[Solved] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - clocking issue post #15

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[Solved] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - clocking issue post #15

I can.
 
Open a midi track in PRV.
Click the pencil tool.
Click and drag as if you have the selection tool on.
 
"Calling out your dead"
 
Sonar has crashed every time since X1? maybe this way for me.
I just lost a lot of work because I didn't save, don't use auto save, thought I had the selection tool on but had the Pencil too active.
 
When I do it I hear zzzzt. and we're gone.
 
I have my work redone and saved so I'm in a good mood just wonder if you all can replicate
post edited by bitman - 2016/02/04 17:28:04
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 14:29:57 (permalink)
    No issues for me, sorry. I inserted a new midi track, selected the pencil tool, click-held and dragged all over the place with no crash. Does it do this for you every time?

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 14:53:18 (permalink)
    Every time
     
    Is there a synth attached as the midi track out?
    I've had it crash driving tts-1 and also session drummer 1
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 15:25:17 (permalink)
    no crash here either.
     
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 15:57:53 (permalink)
    Not here, either. Tested with TTS-1, I don't have Session Drummer 1.
    I have X1, X2, X3 and Manchester, also Sonar 8.5.3 although the tools differ there.
    No crash following your recipe.
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 16:23:33 (permalink)
    Yeah I can move the mouse start a browser, tell you all about it etc.
    Sonar just dies and goes Not Responding.
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:12:24 (permalink)
    Nope, not getting this here, I can freely move, select, drag, lasso, copy, paste, anything really with no issues

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:20:44 (permalink)
    Just me huh.
     
    Nuts.
     
    Alright then thanks for testing it for me.
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:24:20 (permalink)
    Try to change snap settings, does it matter?
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    Re: [No Ron, Just You] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:25:45 (permalink)
    Try updating your video card drivers, or if you can, switch to another card.

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:31:29 (permalink)
    If this is reproducible even with a simple project it might be useful to record a video of the steps you are taking to do this. Its not clear from what you say exactly what the sequence of operations is. Which tool is selected, is it a simple ins track, does the track contain data, etc etc.
    Its not causing any problems here as far as I can see. 

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 17:55:22 (permalink)
    Ok.
     
    The pencil tool is for clicking down notes. one here, one there.
    If I click and drag as if to lasso select notes, the pencil tool faithfully lays down a small stream of notes before it chokes on it and freezes up. Makes a buzzing sound as the tightly packed notes sound off, then dies.
     
    I'll try tonight with a small project or even blank file and report back.
     
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 18:41:15 (permalink)
    Could be buffer size related? (my thinking is Sonar tries to keep up but can't.)
    PinkCigar described the symptoms unprompted so it's clearly real and reproducible on two machines.
    If it goes back to X1 (verifiable?) then it's unrelated to recent optimizations.
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 19:13:34 (permalink)
    bitman
    If I click and drag as if to lasso select notes, the pencil tool faithfully lays down a small stream of notes before it chokes on it and freezes up. Makes a buzzing sound as the tightly packed notes sound off, then dies.

     
    I can't reproduce. If I click and drag, the note just gets longer.

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/01/31 21:01:27 (permalink)
    Ok well my results so far are inconclusive.
    On a hunch I changed which device was the master clock and which device was the slave. (I have a lightpipe connection) with regards to my pre and it's receiver card because I also have other weird here and there problems.
     
    Now doing what crashed Sonar now sprays notes as expected.
    That said I don't know if what I'm seeing is only after some editing with other tools or if it's fixed. Time will tell.
     
    This did not fix my solo playback issue which is detailed in another thread, sadly, I thought it might.
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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/02/01 00:26:32 (permalink)
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    If I click and drag as if to lasso select notes, the pencil tool faithfully lays down a small stream of notes before it chokes on it and freezes up. Makes a buzzing sound as the tightly packed notes sound off, then dies.

     
    I can't reproduce. If I click and drag, the note just gets longer.




    I get the quarter notes as I drag. No crash.
     
    How do you get it to drag as long as you want?
     
     

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    Re: Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? 2016/02/01 02:54:42 (permalink)
    bitman
    On a hunch I changed which device was the master clock and which device was the slave. (I have a lightpipe connection) with regards to my pre and it's receiver card because I also have other weird here and there problems.



    FWIW, I often have my MOTU interface slaved to ADAT from an Alesis QSR because the Alesis doesn't like to be a slave. I have no trouble drawing notes as described with a track outputting to TTS-1 or SD3 either way.

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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 09:52:38 (permalink)
    There is a curious thing happening here. As I posted earlier I still have no crash but not what I think should happen.
    What I am experiencing only happens with Session Drummer.
    Here are the steps that so far are very reproducible.
    New project no name (not likely relevant)
    Insert synth from synth rack (simple instrument) so far must be Session Drummer.
    Load program in SD and drag a clip to the first measure.
    Leave synth properties for SD open and double click the clip you drug over launching PRV (docked).
    Select the pencil tool (smart tool will not reproduce).
    Drag diagonally in PRV to right of notes from clip. (multiple notes are produced, this is not the case if you use smart tool).
    SD synth properties begins looping a clip from the loaded program. (if you watch the SD properties window it is getting buttons selected and seems to be responding to the mouse as you drag. This is on my laptop so the location of the SD properties window is restricted with regard to the PRV).
    SD will start looping a clip from the program. If you clik the stop button in the SD properties it will stop.
    No crash for me just a loop fest.
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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 11:10:31 (permalink)
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    SD will start looping a clip from the program. If you clik the stop button in the SD properties it will stop.
    No crash for me just a loop fest.




    Following your instructions I did not get any looping. As I put the notes in they sounded as expected. But no looping.

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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 11:37:59 (permalink)
    Session Drummer starts playing the loops if you trigger some low MIDI notes.  When I drag the MIDI clip into the trackview it seems to include a kind of "drum map",  at the bottom of the PRV are listed notes 0 - A, 1 -B, 2 -C, etc that if you draw on with the pencil they start playing that loop in Session Drummer.  Not really sure how it gets named MIDI notes like that, it's not a drum map.  Some sort of instrument feature I never use I guess.
    post edited by msorrels - 2016/02/01 11:51:32

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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 12:20:55 (permalink)
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    at the bottom of the PRV are listed notes 0 - A, 1 -B, 2 -C, etc that if you draw on with the pencil they start playing that loop in Session Drummer.  Not really sure how it gets named MIDI notes like that, it's not a drum map.  Some sort of instrument feature I never use I guess.




    That's for you to trigger the loaded clip in the A-H boxes on the right/bottom side of SD3. Yes I knew about those. That might be what the OP is talking about. Good catch! Didn't even think of that.

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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 12:55:22 (permalink)
    Triggering can occur with notes in the octave below the kick drum. SD3 will also play if the start button in the SD3 transport has an orange ring around it. This links the SD3 playback to the host. Clicking the start button in the SD3 transport will toggle this feature.
     
    WRT drum names in the Note pane of the PRV, this is a feature of VST2 where a host can query the note names from the plug-in. BFD3 also supports this feature. It would be nice if other manufacturers did too.
     
    This all would have made a good separate thread as it will likely get lost in this one.
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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 15:23:35 (permalink)
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    WRT drum names in the Note pane of the PRV, this is a feature of VST2 where a host can query the note names from the plug-in. BFD3 also supports this feature. It would be nice if other manufacturers did too.
     
    This all would have made a good separate thread as it will likely get lost in this one.




    If more companies did this would be great!! I won't hold my breath, but it would be nice.
     
    And yes it will get lost.

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    Re: [Title Renamed] Can you crash Sonar with your mouse like so? - Fixed?, time will tell. 2016/02/01 18:13:38 (permalink)
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