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[Solved] Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
Command Center installed Platinum 64 bit on my computer with Windows 7 OS. At some point I will probably want to go to that but.... right now, I'm fine with 32 bit so I can have access to all my old 32 bit plugins etc. Problem is, I cannot figure out for the life of me how to force a Platinum 32 bit install. Can someone please tell me how to do this?
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:12:45
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Log into your account @ cakewalk store and you can download and run the 32bit installer manually.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:24:12
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I can't find where the 32 bit installer is. It shows my 64 bit install in Connected Products but, if I try to reinstall, I'm not finding any way to force a 32 bit install. I must be missing something here! Where do I need to be looking for it?
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:24:13
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You don't need to download it again goto Programdata\cakewalk\command center\download\ and run Sonar plat setup.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:25:50
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John, I tried that but, I do not find that path on my computer at all.
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tenfoot
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:34:31
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Check your folder view settings in control panel - under the view tab select show hidden files. Good call John:)
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 04:42:08
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Ahhh, I will try that later today (When I get up. Headed to bed right now)! Thank you!
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 07:43:54
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I think we are forgetting to tell the gentleman the most important part. Sonar 64bit has bit-bridge which will allow him to use his 32bit plug-ins. Just point Sonar to the folder on your computer. The 32bit plugs will be tagged with same.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 08:48:36
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Tino Red I think we are forgetting to tell the gentleman the most important part. Sonar 64bit has bit-bridge which will allow him to use his 32bit plug-ins. Just point Sonar to the folder on your computer. The 32bit plugs will be tagged with same.
You are absolutely right Tino Red, if in fact Rod is not already aware of that. However his question was how to install Sonar 32 alongside 64 . I for one have never been a fan of bit-bridge or j-bridge. Until I updated all of my plugins to 64bit, I found that running 32bit Sonar under Win7 x64 was much more stable than running 64bit Sonar with bridged 32 bit plugins, particularly with complex projects. The separate window focus of the 32bit plugins in bit-bridge was also terribly annoying.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 08:52:11
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There is no bridge for 32bit DirectX plug-ins. Opening older projects dependent on those plug-ins requires a 32bit host.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 11:06:33
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Thanks, all! I was aware of the Bit-Bridge scenario. My past experiences, however, were much like tenfoot's. Instability. Also, there are still some 32 bit DX plugs I still really like, also (Thanks, scook, for that reminder). Actually, my only reason for even thinking about eventually switching over to 64 bit is just to keep up with modern times. Ha ha! I guess I don't really understand the benefits of 64 bit over 32 bit. (I know you can address way more memory but, I've never found the need for more memory, personally.) I guess, a fear that, eventually, 32 bit will no longer be supported and we will be forced to go 64 bit is my only real reason for even thinking about it. Am I missing something?
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 11:34:47
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I believe the problem with 32bit DAWs is plug-in support. By now, I suspect most plug-ins which do not have a 64bit version probably have not been updated in some time. Some older plug-ins require registry hacks or administrator privileges to run. Some require legacy windows libraries. Even if 32bit DAWs were always supported; it is a matter of time before the OS is updated to the point old plug-ins will no longer work.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 11:53:41
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I agree tenfoot that bit-bridge was kinda buggy in Sonar X series. But I have found Platinum to be extremely stable. I use multiple instances of 32bit Nexus and Massive which we all know can bring a big session to a halt and I have not had any problems. I am using Windows 8.1 so that may be the reason for the stability.
Scook, Direct X totally slipped my mind as most plug-ins that come in that technology can also be installed as VST2. Unless it is extremely old. But you are right.
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rodreb
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 11:55:28
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scook, I am trying to replace all my old, favorite 32 bit plugs with shiny, new 64 bit plugs. I'm getting close but, still got a couple things to replace/learn to live without. One thing.... when I open some projects previously recorded/mixed in 32 bit X3 in 64 bit Platinum, I swear, they sound slightly louder/harsher in the upper mids/highs. Is this even possible or, is my mind playing tricks on me????
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scook
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 12:11:21
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The conventional wisdom is 64bit sounds no better than 32bit. I have not read anywhere the claim that it sounds worse.
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rodreb
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 12:26:16
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Very subtle but, I swear, I hear a difference. Strange. Not specifically worse, different in the upper mids and highs. If I play around with EQ and levels, I can bring it right in line with the 32 bit version. Maybe some 64 bit plugin is a bit more efficient or reacting just slightly different than it's 32 bit counterpart??
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tenfoot
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 19:06:53
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I changed to 64bit for exactly the same reason Rob - I just saw the writing on the wall for 32bit Plugins and eventually Windows X86 itself. It was relatively painless though, as I found that most plugins now have a 64 bit version, and as S Cook said, if they don't they are quite old. The big advantage was that it forced me to make changes that, being a creature of habit, I had put off. Many of these out to be a massive improvement,, like moving from Sample Tank 2 to 3, which sounds amazing. In the process I also came to realise that it was time to let go of certain sounds and effects that had been long time favourites. For example, my go-to reverb for individual backing tracks for my live show was Lexicon Pantheon, from Sonar 8.5. I erroneously thought that it was a 32 bit plugin, so began the search for an effect that sounded exactly like it. After a couple of hours experimenting with Breverb 2, although it didn't sound the same as the lexicon, I much preferred the result. I guess you could say that the process taught an old dog some new tricks:) Once everything is 64bit you will be amazed at the performance difference that the extra ram makes. One tweak that I found particularly effective once I changed over was to disable core parking. There are many threads about it on this forum. Interesting that you are finding a difference in sound Rob. I know that the much faster loading and response time of Sonar in x64 makes me think that the whole world is better:) Glad to hear that you are finding bit-bridge more stable in Platinum Tino Red. I think it is all round the most stable upgrade we have seen in a long time - well done bakers!
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 19:29:45
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tenfoot: I agree 100% with what you're saying. I know the change is inevitable. I just don't have all my 64 bit go-to plugins in order yet. The Lexicon Pantheon is still my favorite reverb as well. I'm really trying to love Breverb but, so far, I'm just not as fond of it. Maybe I need to spring for the (paid) full version??? Maybe I need to buy some other reverb?? Maybe I'll learn to love Breverb??
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:04:54
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I hear you Rob! The good news is that the Lexicon is 64bit, so you can still use it. I do use the full version of Breverb. It took a bit more time to get my head around than the Pantheon, which I found I could dial up a preset and with very little tweaking be on my way. With Breverb you have an awesome amount of control and many extra variables, that I, at least, was not familiar with. Spend a bit of time tweaking those extra parameters because that is where the magic is:)
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:15:30
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Make sure to check out the REmatrix Solo ProChannel module.
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tenfoot
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:16:28
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I should have mentioned above that you do need to install the 64 bit version of Pantheon from the Sonar 8 install disc (just choose 64bit custom install and deselect everything except the Pantheon), but you probably already know that:)
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:18:51
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I feel the same way about the Breverb. For the most part, none of the presets quite work for me but, tweaking seems to be a time consuming, complex ordeal. However, I felt that way about the Lexicon in the beginning, too. But, tweaking it ended up being pretty simple and intuitive. So, maybe I need to work with it more. Are you saying the Pantheon is 64 bit? I thought it was a DXI and not useable at all in 64 bit Sonar??
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:32:42
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Yes - It is a 64bit dxi. Choose a 64bit install from your Sonar 8 disc as I said above:)
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:34:07
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I didn't realise this myself until I was way down the Breverb path!
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/21 20:38:30
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rodreb I thought it was a DXI and not useable at all in 64 bit Sonar??
32bit DirectX plug-ins are not available in 64bit SONAR. Cakewalk ported many of the DirectX plug-ins to 64bit, they are in the DirectX section at the bottom of the Effects and Instrument "Default All Plugins" layouts. The Lexicon plug-in was dropped from X1 so it needs to be installed from a prior version. I used my 8.5 disk.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/22 04:12:04
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So, once I changed my folder options to show hidden files, there was the 32 bit version. Thanks for the advice. Interestingly, when scanning the plugins, R-Mix comes up with an error and has to be disabled. Hmm. After doing some more research on 64 bit, I really don't see how it will be of any help to me. I don't seem to require any more memory. I don't use samplers or anything like that. From what I've been reading, the only thing 64 bit does is allow you to access more memory. Everything else remains the same. Is this correct?
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/22 04:57:33
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Certainly the most obvious advantage in using a 64 bit install is the advantage of extra memory access. When I use Melodyne in 32 bit, I can only access/convert somewhere between 16 to 20 bars of a clip, depending on the amount of information in that clip. Any more than that and Melodyne and Sonar will freeze and I have to restart the programs. With a 64 bit install I have yet to run up against a clip size limit. My main computer is still 32 bit because of another program that will only work on a 32 bit install of windows. Eventually though, that particular program will have to be updated to 64 bit and then I'll be going to a 64 bit install of Sonar.
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tenfoot
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/22 10:09:30
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Memory access is certainly the main advantage Rod. That memory advantage applies to all of Sonar though, not just samplers. You can run more fx, vsti's and the like. Like rebel007 I found a massive improvement in melodyne as a region effect when I changed to 64bit. Processes like track bouncing and exporting audio are also much faster. That said, you are absolutely right. If your system is running smoothly and doing all that you want it to do there is no urgency to update. You also have the option of a dual boot 32/64 bit windows system, running 32 bit Sonar on your 64bit system or using 32bit plugins via bitbridge in Sonar 64. With any of these approaches you can upgrade at your own pace as you get hold of the 64bit plugins you desire. When you do decide to do it though, it's really not that big a deal. Once you get your head around how and where to install your 64bit plugins it's a breeze. Once you have made the jump I think you will be glad you did. You won't hear too many people complaining about how disappointed they are with their new 64bit DAW:)
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/22 10:17:06
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tenfoot When you do decide to do it though, it's really not that big a deal. Once you get your head around how and where to install your 64bit plugins it's a breeze. Once you have made the jump I think you will be glad you did. You won't hear too many people complaining about how disappointed they are with their new 64bit DAW:)
Agreed. The only problem you might run into is if you have some really old hardware, like an Epson scanner from 1995...there may not be 64-bit drivers for it. But even in that case, I found a hack online that let it run with 64-bit systems. I also had a Matrox graphics card when I switched over where the company claimed 64-bit drivers weren't available, but there was one hidden on their site.
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Re: Cannot figure out how to install Platinum 32 bit on my 64 computer
2015/02/22 10:46:30
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Anderton
tenfoot When you do decide to do it though, it's really not that big a deal. Once you get your head around Agreed. The only problem you might run into is if you have some really old hardware, like an Epson scanner from 1995...there may not be 64-bit drivers for it. But even in that case, I found a hack online that let it run with 64-bit systems. I also had a Matrox graphics card when I switched over where the company claimed 64-bit drivers weren't available, but there was one hidden on their site.
That's brilliant Craig:) It does rub a bit of salt into a wound I am still sporting from having two Yamaha 01x digital desks gathering dust in the garage due to the fact that they stopped updating drivers for them 3 years after they were released though! The luck of the draw in this digital age I guess.
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