(Solved!!) Can't pan when assigning busses

chuckebaby


telling you right now this is your problem man..when your panning your guitars hard left and hard right like i do as well..in those tracks.your send needs to be panned as well..if your send is in the middle..where do you think the signal is going to go?..in the middle..each send needs to be respectfully panned in the direction you want the signal to follow..its all common knowelge..i f'ed this up long before you did.and sent myself on a wild ride trying to figure it out..maybe you already did..problem should be solved

Loptec

wineshop


I posted in another thread that my first experience with X1 was great. But there was a few things ...

When I create a stereo bus (for example, a "guitars" bus that I route the outputs of all my guitars to) I can't pan any of those guitar tracks. A hard pan right or left just keeps it in the middle. I actually didn't realize it at first, then listening to the mix the center sounded awfully muddy. No wonder. The tracks are mono and the bus is stereo. I have double checked those. Panning law is set to 0dB center, balance control (although I have tried the others with the same results). If I change the track's output to Master, panning works fine. Am I missing something here? Surely I can still pan while routing to a bus?

I checked your pic and saw you had an insert effect on the stereo bus.
If you bypass that, is it still not working?
I’m thinking it might be the insert effect on the bus that is in mono..

chuckebaby

Loptec

wineshop


I posted in another thread that my first experience with X1 was great. But there was a few things ...

When I create a stereo bus (for example, a "guitars" bus that I route the outputs of all my guitars to) I can't pan any of those guitar tracks. A hard pan right or left just keeps it in the middle. I actually didn't realize it at first, then listening to the mix the center sounded awfully muddy. No wonder. The tracks are mono and the bus is stereo. I have double checked those. Panning law is set to 0dB center, balance control (although I have tried the others with the same results). If I change the track's output to Master, panning works fine. Am I missing something here? Surely I can still pan while routing to a bus?

I checked your pic and saw you had an insert effect on the stereo bus.
If you bypass that, is it still not working?
I’m thinking it might be the insert effect on the bus that is in mono..

lopec//problem is..do you see his send knobs?..there grayed out..hes not even running a send..lol..hes going to need a walk through on this one.

chuckebaby

StepD

chuckebaby

Loptec

wineshop


I posted in another thread that my first experience with X1 was great. But there was a few things ...

When I create a stereo bus (for example, a "guitars" bus that I route the outputs of all my guitars to) I can't pan any of those guitar tracks. A hard pan right or left just keeps it in the middle. I actually didn't realize it at first, then listening to the mix the center sounded awfully muddy. No wonder. The tracks are mono and the bus is stereo. I have double checked those. Panning law is set to 0dB center, balance control (although I have tried the others with the same results). If I change the track's output to Master, panning works fine. Am I missing something here? Surely I can still pan while routing to a bus?

I checked your pic and saw you had an insert effect on the stereo bus.
If you bypass that, is it still not working?
I’m thinking it might be the insert effect on the bus that is in mono..

lopec//problem is..do you see his send knobs?..there grayed out..hes not even running a send..lol..hes going to need a walk through on this one.

You don't need to have a send. He's just running a track straight to a bus. I hardly ever use sends.

never done it like this..never even heard this..but okay..then help the poor giy out..what is it?

ee his send knobs

chuckebaby

StepD

chuckebaby

Loptec

wineshop


I posted in another thread that my first experience with X1 was great. But there was a few things ...

When I create a stereo bus (for example, a "guitars" bus that I route the outputs of all my guitars to) I can't pan any of those guitar tracks. A hard pan right or left just keeps it in the middle. I actually didn't realize it at first, then listening to the mix the center sounded awfully muddy. No wonder. The tracks are mono and the bus is stereo. I have double checked those. Panning law is set to 0dB center, balance control (although I have tried the others with the same results). If I change the track's output to Master, panning works fine. Am I missing something here? Surely I can still pan while routing to a bus?

I checked your pic and saw you had an insert effect on the stereo bus.
If you bypass that, is it still not working?
I’m thinking it might be the insert effect on the bus that is in mono..

lopec//problem is..do you see his send knobs?..there grayed out..hes not even running a send..lol..hes going to need a walk through on this one.

You don't need to have a send. He's just running a track straight to a bus. I hardly ever use sends.

never done it like this..never even heard this..but okay..then help the poor giy out..what is it?
and by what means do you use to control the level sent to the bus without a send?

kevo

wineshop


I posted in another thread that my first experience with X1 was great. But there was a few things ...

When I create a stereo bus (for example, a "guitars" bus that I route the outputs of all my guitars to) I can't pan any of those guitar tracks. A hard pan right or left just keeps it in the middle. I actually didn't realize it at first, then listening to the mix the center sounded awfully muddy. No wonder. The tracks are mono and the bus is stereo. I have double checked those. Panning law is set to 0dB center, balance control (although I have tried the others with the same results). If I change the track's output to Master, panning works fine. Am I missing something here? Surely I can still pan while routing to a bus?

Not according to the images you posted.  Your guitar track has stereo interleave toggled, and it has a stereo meter. Your track is also panned dead center.
 
Toggle the track to mono, and pan the track where you want it.
 
Since the screen capture was not done while playing the project, I can't see what the meters are reporting. I also cannot see the clip for the track and whether you recorded in mono, or stereo.
 
 

chuckebaby

now i am one of those people that if i am wrong im not affriad to admit it.because i love to learn new things and the only way to learn is to sometimes admit your wrong(humbling,i know)
but this is where i dont follow you guys here..and hear me out.
withut assigning a send from the track to the bus.how is the  sterio signal getting from the track to the bus independently?..i want to go to that bus(highlight them)i then insert a bus and name it..say:guitar.once the bus is created,all the track that were highlight(that i chose)are now being feed to that bus.and i now have total control of each track going to that bus by the send knob and also the pan knob(its right next to the send knob)and he has this grayed out in the photo.
so by doing it the way he is doing it(hes taking the whole send of the track(look down the bottom of the track in that strip)and sending the singnal to bus,which is okay,but you have no control over amount or pan of that signal going to the bus.
so his problem is:::why arent my guitars comming out in sterio,everything is in mono?""
the way he setting up this bus and the way stepd was saying he does it this way to is great..FOR A MONO TRACK..
but not for a sterio track..you need to have a send w/ a pan in order to have it in sterio
ive never seen buses done this way..nor will i ever set up a bus this way.beacuase what your doing in effect is sending the whole signal to the bus and not preserving any of the original.this would work for a mono track but not for a sterio track.problem should be solved.

wineshop


To those who suggested I check my CLA plugin in the master buss, you are the winners! That was indeed a mono plug. So even thought I had the bus as a stereo bus, it didn't care because of the plugin being mono. I changed that to the stereo version of the same plug and all is well.

I love it when I learn new stuff!

Loptec

chuckebaby

now i am one of those people that if i am wrong im not affriad to admit it.because i love to learn new things and the only way to learn is to sometimes admit your wrong(humbling,i know)
but this is where i dont follow you guys here..and hear me out.
withut assigning a send from the track to the bus.how is the  sterio signal getting from the track to the bus independently?..i want to go to that bus(highlight them)i then insert a bus and name it..say:guitar.once the bus is created,all the track that were highlight(that i chose)are now being feed to that bus.and i now have total control of each track going to that bus by the send knob and also the pan knob(its right next to the send knob)and he has this grayed out in the photo.
so by doing it the way he is doing it(hes taking the whole send of the track(look down the bottom of the track in that strip)and sending the singnal to bus,which is okay,but you have no control over amount or pan of that signal going to the bus.
so his problem is:::why arent my guitars comming out in sterio,everything is in mono?""
the way he setting up this bus and the way stepd was saying he does it this way to is great..FOR A MONO TRACK..
but not for a sterio track..you need to have a send w/ a pan in order to have it in sterio
ive never seen buses done this way..nor will i ever set up a bus this way.beacuase what your doing in effect is sending the whole signal to the bus and not preserving any of the original.this would work for a mono track but not for a sterio track.problem should be solved.

 
There are 2 ways of sending signal from a track to a bus without the use of any effects. 

First you can insert a send (as you’re already familiar with). With this you send a stream of the audio coming through the track to a bus, but the main output of the track isn’t changed.

This is nice for ex. sending the signal trough a reverb. When using a reverb you don’t want the whole sound of the track to drown in the effect, but just a small amount. The rest of the signal continues through the track and by it’s output to (let’s say) the master bus. You change how much of the signal you want sent to the bus by the “send vol” knob.
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The other way to sending a signal from a track to a bus is to changing the output of the track.
By doing this you send ALL of the signal to the bus. You change how much of the signal you want sent by changing the main volume fader of the track.


This is nice when you recorded, let’s say a drum kit. Every drum is recorded on different tracks. You’ve made a nice mix with the faders so the volumes of the different mic sound good.
Later in the mix you may want to change the volume of the whole drumkit though. You can do this by creating a new stereo bus and changing the “output” of every drum track to this bus.
Then by changing the fader of the new bus you change the volume of the whole drum kit without messing up the nice mix you made of the kit earlier.

SONARtist


 and in some cases the information you give confuses people even more. 
 
 
can you give me an example or are you just reaching here?
 i help alot of people on here.but i didnt see you help on this thread at all.but you had no problem dropping in throw that down.its discouraging..it really is..i spent alot of time trying to help this kid last night..and most of all im glad the problem is solved.but for you to seriously say.."its 80% chuckebaby"
why are do you single me out sonarist?..why not go into the coffee house and tell one of those guys with 50 posts a day.that its 80% them? and what?..theyre never wrong?
no you wouldnt do that would you?but you seem to have a problem sayin it to me..because you think its okay to mess with the little guy.
this is where the conversation between you and i end., im all done with you.
and from here on out i will ignore anything you post and ive now just blocked you.