[Solved] Clip muting problem after speed-comping

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2014/11/01 23:56:17 (permalink)

[Solved] Clip muting problem after speed-comping

Wow, I just arrived from 8.5 and this speed-comping is great!  A small problem, here's the scenario:
 
All the preferred clips have been selected and I've closed the individual take lanes.  I'm left with the main track which displays all the clips with their automatic cross-fades.  Great.  I want to be more surgical on some of the cross-fades, so I zoom into a split point between two clips, let's call them clip A, and B.  Now I want to mute clip B so I can really hear the full tail of clip A.  I select clip B and hit the "K" key on the keyboard, thereby muting it.  Now I make my adjustment to the tail of clip A.  Done.  Now I select clip B again and hit "K" to unmute.  But clip B has reverted to a some other random take in the take lanes!  Is this a glitch or am I doing something wrong?  Scoured the manual, but if you think it's in there and I've overlooked it, let me know.  This speed comping seems one small step from being amazing.  (yes, I'm on version e) 
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    FastBikerBoy
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    Re: Clip muting problem after speed-comping 2014/11/02 02:39:54 (permalink)
    Not sure what is going on there but you could just move the existing split point a little downstream to hear the tail of clip A thus moving the start of clip B accordingly. Just click drag left/right on the split. Does that help? - (Not with the 'bug' but with your workflow I meant.)
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    Re: Clip muting problem after speed-comping 2014/11/02 22:04:51 (permalink)
    Thanks, tried that today and it does work for half of the workflow - until, of course, it's time to solo clip B and you have to then slip back the border you just made on clip A.  Sure reduces the "speed" in speed-comping.  As a matter of fact, I couldn't get the muting problem to happen today.  Either Sonar is in a better mood or I overlooked something.  I'm a little sad, I'm really counting on Sonar to finally be rock solid.  Hope it was just my naivety somehow.  Thanks for the suggestion.
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    Re: Clip muting problem after speed-comping 2014/11/03 00:49:45 (permalink)
    I may not totally understand what you want to do, but if you want to hear only A, you don't have to mute other clips. Select A, then use Shift+Space Bar. SONAR will play from the start of A to the end.
     
    Speed comping is deceptive. It looks like it's easy, and it is on one level. But there are many nuances. One thing that's helped me is extending the Track Lane heights enough so that the various hot spots within the clip become suitably big targets.
     
    Since you're transitioning from 8.5, let me toss in something I've noticed that may save you some time. Quite a few people make things more complicated than they need to be because they're not familiar with the workflow enhancements in the X-series programs. For example, there was one thread where someone had come up with this really convoluted way of cutting and pasting that didn't need to be that difficult.
     
    Also, the more you can forget you knew 8.5 really well, the better . The people who get the most frustrated with the transition are those who want X3 to work like 8.5. It's a bummer there's a learning curve for a program you thought you already knew, but long-term, you'll save a lot of time and effort. 

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    Re: Clip muting problem after speed-comping 2014/11/03 02:11:06 (permalink)
    The other thing is that speed comping only works really well for material where there are distinct phrases in it, such as vocals. For other material which is more "one piece" such as guitar solos use "Manual comping".
     
    Don't be put off by the name it's just as quick and efficient as "Speed comping" but a different method. Instead of using shift+Spacebar to start it and arrow keys to navigate, start playback normally and then just click anywhere in the lower half of the clip you want to hear. Playback will start from the beginning of that clip. Split as required and repeat on next clip as required. That way you can create clips and shift their exact split position as well as adjust the crossfades all while playback continues.
     
    It too is quick and efficient just more mouse orientated than "speed comping".
     
    Edit for accuracy.
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    Re: Clip muting problem after speed-comping 2014/11/03 11:36:22 (permalink)
    Excellent answers.  Of course, shift+click.  I had it in my head that was only useable in the take lanes.  It's working great, in fact I'm also shortening the clip's loop length so I can really concentrate on manipulating just the end of the clip.  Most clips automatically crossfade well with the speed comping, but now and then I need to go in manually to slip back unwanted audio information.  It's working very well,  thank you both.
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