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2015/12/26 07:58:16 (permalink)

[Solved] Fed up!

I'm am getting really fed up with the problems I am encountering with Sonar Platinum! I have used X1 and X3 before with no interface problems at all! So I looked at the company hype and decided to upgrade to Platinum at the beginning of December. I also upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10 about the same time. 
From the outset I started to experience connection problems with my interface (Cakewalk UA-25EX....USB) which I have tried to solve by re-installing the driver, changing setting on the interface and in Sonar etc etc...
Using Producer X3, which is still installed, causes no problems whatsoever, so any arguments about the driver not being supported by Windows 10 seems to be barking up the wrong tree? I can't un-install Windows 10 as I've gone pass the time slot for this (didn't know there was one until it was too last to revert back to the very good Windows 7) !
So basically, I paid for a piece of software that is far too problematic to be of any use, and now feel that i will not buy any Sonar product again because it's not worth the trouble!
 
As a last resort, I'm wondering if anyone out there has experienced issues similar to mine and if indeed someone somewhere has found a magical cure??
 
Here's hoping...
 
 
 
 
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 08:07:17 (permalink)
Calm down.  I understand your frustration, I get like that, too, when things don't work like they should.  But, 99% of the time, someone here will figure it out and you'll feel like a jackass for getting too emotional.  :)

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 08:14:07 (permalink)
According to Roland's web site the UA-25EX will automatically download win 10 drivers from the internet. Did this happen?
 
http://www.roland.com/support/support_news/2849
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 09:52:32 (permalink)
You need to describe the nature of the problem. Does it not show up as an eligible audio device? Does SONAR see it, but you can't get audio back and forth? Do you realize that Platinum may have different defaults from X3 and these would need to be tweaked? 
 
It's obvious SONAR can talk to USB audio interfaces, or this forum would be filled with people carrying torches and pitchforks. Bear in mind that the installation process for Roland interfaces is very specific. It may have been necessary to completely uninstall the previous driver before re-installing...you may have done that, but we don't know. 

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 12:55:22 (permalink)
Many problems with USB audio connections getting lost are due to Windows, not the audio device driver or Sonar. If, as is commonly the case, the issue is with power settings cutting off the USB connection after a time out, you may have to use the device with X3 for a fairly long time to reproduce the issue. I have seen a couple of reports about Windows 10 not behaving as expected when power options are set via the Win 10 interface. This article gives instructions on how to examine and change the actual power option setting in the registry, which may be useful.
 
http://windowsable.com/how-to-fix-usb-devices-not-working-issue-in-windows-10/
 
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 13:12:40 (permalink)
I too had problems with W10, and when I reverted back to W7 they all vanished.  I'm not a techie so I can't really offer you any advice other than to hang tough with this forum.  The guys here have sorted out every problem I've ever had with Sonar.  Good luck to you!!
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 13:25:22 (permalink)
Based on your description of the issue as it stands you really need to contact Cakewalk technical support. This should not be happening so without further details I don't think anyone here can isolate the problem.
 
It's screwy and if it happened to me I would be frustrated as well but when things stop making any kind of sense (which is most definitely what's going on here) I call support. You paid for support... take advantage of it.
 
To be honest... I'm going to guess it has something to do with your "Cakewalk" interface. Call me a cynical bastard but I prefer to let the software makers make my software and the hardware manufacturers to make my hardware.
 
My Focusrite works just fine with both X3 and SPlat.
 
I am however squatting on Win7 for now and may only install Win10 on my DAW on a partition just in case.
 
Good luck... and call support.
 
Cheers.
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 13:31:17 (permalink)
I too believe we can collectively work through the issues you are currently experiencing with Platinum, IF you are willing to be engaged in the process of working through them.
 
There are quite a few folks in these forums who will bend over backwards to assist you with whatever is going on.
 
Whatever path you choose - I wish you the best, and that you are able to come to or return to a place where you can be productive with music production.
 
I DO hope you choose to give us a shot at getting you past whatever the issues are - and for that, the best way to approach them is to launch a separate thread for each issue, so that we don't end up with a bunch of confusing and intertwined 'gick'.  This way, it is easier to read, to associate responses to specific issues, etc.....
 
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 13:41:32 (permalink)
I also just upgraded to Windows 10. I too am having troubles. In my case it seems to be buffering problems. I am getting pops and crackles even when playing a single wave file (Regardless of the buffer setting I choose). This did not happen in Windows 8.1.

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 13:49:29 (permalink)
The UA-25EX. is a Roland product and for Windows 10 you need to uninstall any drivers you installed. Unplug it from the USB port and then plug it back in. Windows 10 will update its driver automatically.  
 
 Below is from the Roland site. 
This contains information on the UA-25EX (Advanced mode) driver compatible with Microsoft Windows 10.

Driver for Windows 10

Your computer automatically downloads the Windows(R) 10 driver from the Internet when a product requiring the driver is connected to the computer.
For detailed information about the driver, check "Download File" at the bottom of this page.

* Under normal conditions, the driver installation is completed in several minutes. It may take about 10 minutes depending on the Internet connectivity or if there are other drivers being installed for other devices.
* A problem may have occurred if the device is connected but cannot be used after waiting for 10 minutes. Download the detailed information for the driver and refer to "Troubleshooting."
 
http://www.rolandus.com/s...updates_drivers/350845

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 14:20:10 (permalink)
@Bassmanx
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I also just upgraded to Windows 10. I too am having troubles. In my case it seems to be buffering problems. I am getting pops and crackles even when playing a single wave file (Regardless of the buffer setting I choose). This did not happen in Windows 8.1.




I had the exact same problem!!  Revert to W7 and it vanished.
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 15:05:21 (permalink)
I Just resolved my issue. It turns out that Windows 10 does not like my ZOOM R16 ASIO driver. I switched to the WASAPI driver and everything works fine now. (Food for thought).

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 15:13:57 (permalink)
I had a UA-25EX and got rid of it because it was giving me problems. In my case it was because that interface is a USB 1.1 unit and my machine was overloading it. Try connecting the interface to different USB ports on your machine. Don't use  a USB 3 port. Before mine departed I found that it wouldn't work on a hub, it had to be connected to a USB2 port on the motherboard.
 
The software is not at fault directly and Sonar screams along with Win 10. You should also experiment with I/O buffer settings and so on. If possible try another interface and see if it clears the problem. The UA 25 is on its last legs.

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/26 16:23:12 (permalink)
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I had a UA-25EX and got rid of it because it was giving me problems. In my case it was because that interface is a USB 1.1 unit and my machine was overloading it. Try connecting the interface to different USB ports on your machine. Don't use  a USB 3 port. Before mine departed I found that it wouldn't work on a hub, it had to be connected to a USB2 port on the motherboard.



All excellent comments. A USB 1.1 interface is really an anachronism in today's systems. It's designed for low-bandwidth devices like keyboards. 
 
I highly recommend going into Device Manager and disabling (not uninstalling) all sound card/interface drivers except for the interface you're using. Then increase the I/O buffer playback size in SONAR's preferences to 256.
 
Also as a related cautionary note for others, although USB 2.0 devices should be forward compatible with USB 3.0, not all are. And just like FireWire, USB 3.0 devices want to see a chip set that makes them happy.

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/27 18:21:36 (permalink)
After installing Window 10,  I noticed I was having problems with several of my USB devices as they didn't want to work properly.  Two of them were legacy devices so I needed the older Windows 7 drivers to make them work.  
 
For all of my USB drivers, I went to the Manufacturers website and downloaded the drivers and installed them to the computer.  Upon restart, all of the USB devices that didn't want to work properly starting working just fine.  
 
I suggest getting the drivers from the Manufacturer of the device.

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/30 14:04:42 (permalink)
Many thanks for all the advice guys, and sorry its taken a few days to reply but its Christmas and the family wanted my time!
I'm going to be unavailable again until Sunday, but in the meantime with regard to the advice given:-
I've uninstalled/reinstalled the driver for my interface with no change to the situation, and I've messed around with turning advanced driver off/on the interface. Again no change.
I've also disabled all the other Audio Devices - no change!
As I mentioned in my original post, I can't revert back to Windows 7 as I have apparently gone over the time sort to revert?
What I will try next will be changing the USB plug to a different socket and changing the I/O buffer settings to 256 as suggested.
I wouldn't say I'm very good on the techie front so any advice given is great, but please try to make it idiot proof for me!!
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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/30 16:21:25 (permalink)
What John said. I too have a UA-25EX and initially struggled to get it to work with Win10. It took Roland several weeks to get a driver to market, but one day I plugged it in and Win10 downloaded and installed the driver without any fuss and it's worked ever since. I think the suggestion of trying a different USB port could work too as this would force Windows to reinstall the driver, and so look for the driver again.

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Re: Fed up! 2015/12/30 17:20:27 (permalink)
Hi, yeah i ran into a whole lot of headaches about that too. and i'm in 8.1!
i am so afraid of 10 it's a shame...but i heard elsewhere on the board that it's a whole lot like 8.
here's hoping:
Before fiddling with drivers that work perfectly fine with whatever else you use, it might be a good idea to go in your taskbar and hit the line out properties button(might be hidden,but it's the speaker icon thingie). go to the advanced tab and take it out of exclusive mode.
really worked for me.
before that, even closing out of the program and going back into it was a complete finagle mission.
hope that helps!
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/04 09:25:50 (permalink)
Hi all, and Happy New Year.
I'm back on SONAR again after the festivities and trying out all the recommendations given by the various comments on this thread.
The good news is that finally it looks like we have got to the bottom of the problem (hopefully). I think all the suggestions had some positive impact, but the action that seemed to nail it completely was to change USB socket from rear to front and reinstall the driver from Roland. I had indeed tried changing sockets and reinstalling the driver previously, but not changing to the front of my computer as it was less convenient. However, once installed it was clear that this was indeed the culprit. 
So thanks to John for the solution, and many thanks to all on the thread for advice. I'm now not "fed up" with SONAR but looking forward to playing around with it without glitches every five minutes! 
 
Regards to all,
 
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/04 10:10:53 (permalink)
May I suggest adding "solved" to the title?
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/04 11:54:17 (permalink)
Great news Pete, glad you got it sorted. Enjoy.

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/04 12:03:24 (permalink)
I recommend installing a PCI card with USB ports for audio...use the motherboard USB for keyboard, mouse, printer, hard drives, etc.

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/04 17:51:20 (permalink)
Dude, for $100 I bought a standalone version of Win 7 from Walmart. And now it's even cheaper.
 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=windows+7
 
Worth every penny having that DVD in my collection instead of those BS reinstall disk that you make when you buy a new system. No junkware on it.
 
There's also Acronis True Image that will take you back to Win 7.
 
Lots of options

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 01:54:32 (permalink)
Got to say - I too am quite happy that you are beyond what had been driving you bonkers with trying to be productive with Sonar.
 
YAY!!!!!
 
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 06:46:23 (permalink)
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I recommend installing a PCI card with USB ports for audio...use the motherboard USB for keyboard, mouse, printer, hard drives, etc.


Hi Craig,
I've had recommendations to specifically *not* use  3rd party USB ports for audio interfaces - so it seems like it's real black magic, juggling USB ports and trying them all out to see what works best 

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 11:59:39 (permalink)
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I recommend installing a PCI card with USB ports for audio...




+1000
 
I've done this (first PCI, now PCIe) for every USB and Firewire interface I've owned in the past 8 years and, not so surprisingly (to me anyway), the result is smooth sailing with interface performance.  
 
Sure, you can try your luck with one of the onboard USB/FW ports, but this just as often results in incompatibility or resource-sharing issues.  Installing a dedicated PCI(e) card gets around all of that.
 
Of course, this only works with a desktop.  With a laptop, you're stuck with what's there.

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 12:09:40 (permalink)
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...I've had recommendations to specifically *not* use  3rd party USB ports for audio interfaces ...




Hm, I wonder if this has to do with USB2/USB3 incompatibilities with some controllers.  If you're device is USB2, then just stick with a USB2 card and there shouldn't be a problem.  (I've used numerous inexpensive ones over the years without a single issue).

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 12:16:57 (permalink)
I'm not sure - I was trying to get my new interface to run comfortably at 64 sample latency, and it was Jim Roseberry who mentioned not to run it on a 3rd party USB port.
 
It *is* a USB2 device (MOTU Ultralite AVB) that is supposed to run on USB3 ports - so I guess that just adds to the "fun" ;-)
 
I'm definitely not arguing with you or Craig - just saying that I've heard conflicting opinions ;-)

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I usually use ASIO set at 64 or 128 samples
er - that's it I think...
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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 12:20:26 (permalink)
I get fed up with just about everything in my life at one point or another. It passes.
 
Glad it all worked out.

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Re: Fed up! 2016/01/05 12:23:42 (permalink)
Another advantage of a card is the USB power tends to be cleaner. A lot of dirt from hard disks etc. gets on the mobo USB lines. There was an audible, obvious improvement in audio quality (no clicks from hard drive spikes, hiss, etc.) with the PCI card.
 
What you DO want to avoid is a USB hub, but you also want to avoid combo USB/Firewire cards. Don't know why, but I've heard nothing but negative reports about the latter option.

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