[Solved] Is it possible to hide controller events but still show midi notes in midi clips in Track View?

I frequently split a midi clip in Track View in order to copy/paste the clip into another track or location. But very often the midi notes in the clip are obscured "behind" numerous continuous controllers which appear in "front" of the notes. That makes it difficult to see where to split the clip (i.e., just before a midi note). There's an option to hide clip contents, but that hides everything, including the notes. Anyone know a way to hide the controllers but show the notes? My workaround is usually to switch to PRV, and do it there, but copy/pasting clips is faster for me. Any thoughts? Thanks!

Thank you!

Craig, after working with this for a few weeks, I still find myself wishing it was possible to see only note events inside the clips in Track View (with edit filter set to clips). Your workaround works, but it takes several steps. I write orchestral music with many controllers, which frequently mucks up the view of what's going on note-wise. (But sometimes it's useful to see the controllers also). So, what do you suppose are the chances of the bakers adding an option to show notes, controllers (or both) in the Track View "Display Clip Contents" dropdown menu? How would I submit such a request?
Thanks again,
Randy

Thanks - and yes, that's a useful shortcut I hadn't considered. However, in my Perfect Sonar World, I'd still like to see the clip outlines with just the notes showing - no controllers, no velocities, just notes. Why? 1.) Because I frequently have difficulty and/or unexpected results when using the copy/paste/special functions with midi data. No doubt operator error is the culprit. (In my Perfect Sonar World I would do this in Staff View, but I gave up on that a while ago and count myself among those waiting/hoping for Staff View improvements.) In the meantime, I go to track view, split midi clips as needed and ctrl-drag to copy to a new location. My desire to see just the notes was born from the need to see where to split the clips.  2.) Also, in projects with 80+ tracks and hundreds of clips, it would be nice to see "inside" the clips to see what's happening musically without the controllers essentially blocking the view. (I usually have 3 or more Staff View windows locked in the browser so I can keep tabs on the overall arrangement. For ex., unlike a standard orchestra score with two violin parts, I may need to assign 8 or more tracks to violins. This can get unwieldy, and I can "get lost" in my own score if I'm not careful. Thus my desire to see inside the clips in track view.)  
Does this explanation make sense? Do you think a feature request is worth pursuing? Admittedly, this is not a show-stopper issue, and may not apply to many other users. It's just something that would make my Sonar life a little easier. Thanks again for your help! 
 
 

Okay you are making me re-think my workflow big-time. I've avoided the inline PRV for years, because it 'looks and acts differently' from the "real" PRV. Maybe that's the point? Hmmm. One thing from your last post eludes me: when Notes is selected, and "Show Clip Outlines" is selected, I can't seem to select, move, or otherwise interact with the CLIP. I tried all manner or Ctr alt shift combos, right click etc. How do you move a clip when Notes is selected? No doubt I will kick myself when you tell me. Thanks for your patience. I feel my Perfect Sonar World is coming closer...

rhenn
Okay you are making me re-think my workflow big-time. I've avoided the inline PRV for years, because it 'looks and acts differently' from the "real" PRV. Maybe that's the point?

Yes, absolutely. For example before the PRV revisions, IMHO the inline PRV was by far the best way to edit controllers. You could increase the track height to show controllers in extreme detail, as well as see controllers referred to each other and to notes. 
 
Also there are different attributes to editing automation in a track, where the curves are almost more like smooth splines, as opposed to the PRV where the automation is more traditional.
 
As to moving the clip, scook nailed it.

Ps. I'm trying to nudge notes, not clips in the inline PRV.

This forum is like an interactive owner's manual. Great stuff.

Like scook, working for me here. Are you sure you're selecting the notes in the inline PRV? And are you finding that nudge right works, but nudge left doesn't?

Make sure the lens drop down is set to None

Following the steps in #18 I can get something similar if I hit numpad 0 which invokes a special edit mode. What is displayed is not the Now marker but the cursor for the special edit mode. 4 and 6 move this cursor left and right. Hitting numpad 0 again reverts the number pad back to its regular state.
 
If that is not the problem, it may be something specific to your setup. Are you using a US keyboard and Windows?

If you find a predefined shortcut to be a problem, such as numpad 0, disable it by going into keyboard shortcut preferences and bind it to "Do nothing."

Nudge was working in the PRV but not the track view. This is because the special edit mode only works in the track view. The thing that tipped me off was

rhenn
 4. Set Track filter to Notes, maximized view

and the mention of 4 and 6 moving Now. Had the track not been maximized, the edit cursor would have been more obvious. By maximizing the track the edit cursor fills the screen and looks similar to Now although without the play head at the top.